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post #11 of 25 Old 06-30-2011, 11:51 AM
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I'm sorry but you people are saying it's OK to sell a horse out from under someone you have already told can HAVE it?

NO. Just no. It's not ok, in no world is it EVER going to be MORALLY and ETHICALLY ok. Legally, maybe, but it is VERY rude and never an acceptable thing for a seller to do. If you say you're going to sell your horse to a particular person, then sell it to THEM. I don't care if the next person offers you more money.

This is coming from BOTH sides of the fence - buyer AND seller. As a buyer, if I knew someone else had been told they could have the horse I would never take it from them, because I've had horses sold from under me. I was particularly excited about this one gelding (this is going back over two years now) and had all organised a time to come see him and then that morning (note that it's a 3 hour drive to get there and we were getting ready when she rang) the seller rang and told me she'd sold him TWO DAYS prior. BEFORE we'd made the time to go see him.

As a seller, I can't see how it's ever ok to do that. You tell someone you'll sell them a horse, you SELL THEM THAT HORSE. A verbal contract, in Australia, is just as binding as a written one - provided you have proof that it's been made, which is why I'll never buy a horse without someone with me as witness to any verbal contract that may eventuate. Not to mention, how would YOU like it if someone promised you something that really excited you and then changed their mind and told you it wasn't going to happen?

Just my opinion, of course, but it ain't right.
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post #12 of 25 Old 06-30-2011, 11:53 AM
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Blue, so if you go to a car dealership and you like the car and you tell them you want it and will be back tomorrow but give them no deposit and sign nothing you expect them to hang on to the car for you?
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post #13 of 25 Old 06-30-2011, 11:57 AM
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Slow down there, blue. Nobody's saying it's morally right, but it happens.

Yes, it stinks and the seller should have agreed to hold the horse. However, many buyers flake off and never hold up their end of the bargain. I've seen it happen more than once, and maybe this particular seller has been burned several times by flakey buyers who disappear off the face of the earth after having gushed over the horse and saying they just MUST HAVE IT.

It doesn't matter whether you're in Oz, the US, Canada, or Timbuktu, the morally and ethically right decision is always the way to go, but legally the first person with actual money gets the horse. Better an actual sale than someone who might or might not show back up.

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post #14 of 25 Old 06-30-2011, 12:27 PM
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I didn't read where ANYONE said it was right, moral or ethical.....they just said it is reality. Y'know, the REAL WORLD....

My story is quite exceptional it seems.


We bought our OTTB, a fine gray whose grandsire was Danzig, from a used horse dealer.




We went to see our boy once at the used horse dealer's farm, spent some time getting to know him. We told him we were considering buying him... a few weeks later he brings our boy and some other horses to a local farm in our area as he had a group of buyers considering purchasing some of the other horses....we rode the OTTB and came to a decision, yes, we wanted him. But we wouldn't have the money for another two weeks. WELL....the local farm's BO decided SHE wanted him. And she had the money on the spot. She tried to talk the used horse dealer into selling him to her ..... minutes after he had promised to wait two weeks for the money, and said he would sell him to us.

GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? He told the Bo no. He said he had promised the OTTB to us and he doesn't do business like that, else he would HAVE no business. Meaning, people in your local horse world often know each other....and word of dirty dealings spread....then no one will want to do business with you. Well, the BO flipped out....cursed at him and us and went crazy. Guess she was drinking or something cause she was way out of line.... using the most foul language.

Anyhow, she continued to stalk our boy for a year after we bought him....showed up at the barn he was at and told the BO she was told by us that she could come see him....a lie, since we never spoke to her after she went crazy that day....and didn't want her anywhere near us or our horse.

Well, we've moved now and she doesn't know where he is at....so, hopefully she'll forget about him.
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post #15 of 25 Old 06-30-2011, 12:37 PM
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It is nothing personal, it's just business. I will never consider anything sold until the money is safely in my bank - the entire amount. I've seen people put deposits down and decide a day or two later that they don't want the horse/item. That's a day or two of advertising and possible purchasers down the drain.
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post #16 of 25 Old 06-30-2011, 02:02 PM Thread Starter
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Oh, don’t get me wrong. I completely understand where the seller was coming from, but at the same time, she could have very easily said, “I can only hold the horse for you until Friday if you can bring a deposit to me tonight”. I would have been 110% willing to do so, had she let me know that’s what she wanted. But unfortunately, she didn’t and I learned a lesson. I’m not mad at her for doing what she did, but I am choked that it played out how it did. Live and learn, right?

That said, I got the message and I will be bringing $100 every time I go to view a horse, even if I don’t THINK I’ll be purchasing. One never knows when they’ll click with a horse and I’m going to be prepared. As luck would have it, I got a call back about a red dun yearling Quarter Horse gelding that I inquired about yesterday afternoon. He’s younger than I really want, but at the same time, I wasn’t planning to rush onto a horses’ back anyway. I have a trainer friend who can help me along the way and I have time for the gelding to grow. Of all the horses I’ve inquired about, this little guy has had the easiest life – he was a surprise baby for the seller and has never known what abuse is. She didn’t know the mare she bought was pregnant, she dropped a colt and he has been owned by the same woman for his entire life. He’s very friendly and well handled, and stands calmly for the farrier. He has no vices and no history to work through.

So now, I have two possibilities to check out this weekend. Both horses are on opposite ends of the spectrum, each has advantages and disadvantages and I’m going to see both without a real preference for either. Maybe one is supposed to be MY horse.
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Well from my experience buyers are liars. I have sold several of my horses in the past and have been burned by the buyer. They would come out ride the horse and commit to buying it (even give me a smal deposit sometimes $50 buck or so) and then disappear and I would be holding the horse for a month while other intrested parties were turned away. They would never call or come back. So when I am selling a horse now I make it clear, the first person to come give me the money with a trailer gets the horse. I cannot play favorites I would still have 3 or 4 horses that I have sold if I was waiting around for someone that said they were going to buy the horse and I never heard from them again. I feel bad that you had true intentions but you have to understand that people get stood up and if they didnt have money in hand they did not take you seriously. Next horse you are really intrested in put a serious deposit down that shows you are serious. For example if you are buying a horse for $1,000 then put 2-300 down. They know you are not going to walk away from that kind of money. Keep your head up and keep looking the right horse will come along and you will be happier than ever!!!
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It was a lesson to learn, for sure, but the way I figure it... maybe that horse just wasn't meant to be mine. I'm just choked how it worked out.
I hear ya, and I'm sorry that happened. I'm seriously looking at a 4yo APHA mare right now and just realized that if the seller doesn't except my offer I might be crushed...didn't realize I had my hopes up so much! I know for me, if I was selling any of my horses it would not be about the first person with cash and a trailer, but more if I felt it was a good fit and situation all around. Unfortunately for a lot of people it's the first one with the money. Yes, hard lesson learned but hopefully it was meant to be and everything will work out. I've lost deposits on horses as well but looking back they probably wouldn't have been the best horses for me so it worked out
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Well, here's your forum Bible lady saying, "It wasn't meant to be." Not that breaking your word is ok (the seller), but the fact that the horse went to someone else shows it wasn't meant to be yours.

If it's any consolation, I've had to leave many horse relationships. We don't know why & often don't know how a particular horse ended up. That's when we have to leave it with God.

I think that the Arab might be the right one for you. Of course, I'm fond of Arabs. :)
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post #20 of 25 Old 07-01-2011, 12:28 AM
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Well from my experience buyers are liars. I have sold several of my horses in the past and have been burned by the buyer. They would come out ride the horse and commit to buying it (even give me a smal deposit sometimes $50 buck or so) and then disappear and I would be holding the horse for a month while other intrested parties were turned away. They would never call or come back. So when I am selling a horse now I make it clear, the first person to come give me the money with a trailer gets the horse. I cannot play favorites I would still have 3 or 4 horses that I have sold if I was waiting around for someone that said they were going to buy the horse and I never heard from them again. I feel bad that you had true intentions but you have to understand that people get stood up and if they didnt have money in hand they did not take you seriously. Next horse you are really intrested in put a serious deposit down that shows you are serious. For example if you are buying a horse for $1,000 then put 2-300 down. They know you are not going to walk away from that kind of money. Keep your head up and keep looking the right horse will come along and you will be happier than ever!!!
This has been my experience also, and most experienced sellers around here require $500 down to prevent all the 'walk away' buyers.

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