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        06-19-2013, 10:50 PM
      #31
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    I don't normally join in these pro/anti slaughter threads, but I am curious about some facts here.

    I am in Canada now, but was in the UK before. The legal method of slaughter of all animals in all abbattoirs in the UK is stunning with electric bolts to the head, followed by a metal bolt to the brain. I had assumed, possibly naively that it was the same here.

    Is it really the case that high volume slaughter houses use bolt guns without stunning first? That seems highly inefficient, as well as resulting in an unnecessarily high risk of cruelty.
         
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        06-19-2013, 11:10 PM
      #32
    Foal
    It seems like the OP was letting those who are interested in signing the petition know about it....if you don't agree with her, then why can't you just not hijack the post and turn it into a pro slaughter forum. I understand you don't agree with posters who are against slaughter, but we have the right to talk about it and we are constantly 'put in our place' by pro slaughter people. I don't hijack the Christian forums because I think religion is lame...that would be rude, why do slaughter people constantly have to dig their nails into the anti slaughter folks. Seems like we should have a free speech area also.
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        06-19-2013, 11:22 PM
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    You do have free speech, however when things that aren't fact are presented as fact people are free to interject. I think you'll find that there are a larger number of people who are pro-slaughter on this forum than people who are against slaughter, so while it may seem like people are 'hijacking' a thread, it's really just people discussing and sharing an opinion.
         
        06-19-2013, 11:22 PM
      #34
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    Originally Posted by alexischristina    
    I think you're embarrassing yourself here, c99. Thank you for taking the first post you quoted out of context, for one. And I think you'll find that there are MANY Canadian horse owners who are for the humane slaughter of horses (slaughter, not euthanasia) including many people on this forum.

    Are you poking fun at my intelligence? That's not a very nice basis for your argument...
    C99 started a post for Canadian horse people to be able to choose to have a portion of their council's membership dues towards keeping horses alive via an online petition. That's the trouble, there is a good idea to keep horses alive and somebodies gotta chew it to bits so more horses die
         
        06-19-2013, 11:28 PM
      #35
    Foal
    It really just all comes down to dollars for pro slaughter people. When all you see after you horse dies is a 'shell' then there isn't much to try to say to that type of person. I won't send my dogs or cats, cow, horses or any other critter on my farm off to slaughter because the 'lovely vessel' that carries their life is too special to me to just let it me hacked up and eaten. I don't treat my friend and family that way.
         
        06-19-2013, 11:32 PM
      #36
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    OP posted to gain support, on a public forum, which thus invites conversation on the topic (including conversation with people who are pro-slaughter).

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    there is a good idea to keep horses alive
    There is also a lot of good in ensuring slaughter plants remain open and accessible. Nobody is 'chewing it to bits', people are just presenting facts and opening discussion.

    Mama26Kids, it doesn't just come down to dollars. In MY opinion it comes down to ensuring there is a place for horses with no other options, I would rather see a horse sent to slaughter than see that same horse waste away in a pasture.
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        06-19-2013, 11:38 PM
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    it really just all comes down to dollars for pro slaughter people. When all you see after you horse dies is a 'shell' then there isn't much to try to say to that type of person. I won't send my dogs or cats, cow, horses or any other critter on my farm off to slaughter because the 'lovely vessel' that carries their life is too special to me to just let it me hacked up and eaten. I don't treat my friend and family that way.
    No need to insult the pro slaughter folks. I had a dog that went into a coma, that day he was put to sleep and a week or so later, he came home in a box, cremated. That day cost me about $3k, to get back ashes, that sit next to me now. His collar and photo sleep next to my bed.

    My horse will not see a slaughter house, if I still own him, and that's within my control.

    However there needs to be an option for people who care less than me. And I'd rather those horses see a slaughter house than starve to death in a field that no one can see. My horse would see a red needle after having some carrots, but not all horse owners are that way. I firmly believe there are worse things than death.

    If you have more faith in humanity than I do, then I wish you luck when you get your wake up call.
         
        06-19-2013, 11:46 PM
      #38
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    Originally Posted by alexischristina    
    There is also a lot of good in ensuring slaughter plants remain open and accessible. Nobody is 'chewing it to bits', people are just presenting facts and opening discussion.
    according to you! Don't makes about slaughter. That's not what C99 started the post about!
         
        06-19-2013, 11:47 PM
      #39
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    Originally Posted by Mama26kids    
    it really just all comes down to dollars for pro slaughter people. When all you see after you horse dies is a 'shell' then there isn't much to try to say to that type of person. I won't send my dogs or cats, cow, horses or any other critter on my farm off to slaughter because the 'lovely vessel' that carries their life is too special to me to just let it me hacked up and eaten. I don't treat my friend and family that way.
    I find this slightly offensive. I love my horses, more than anything in the world. However I believe that the soul leaves the body after death. Essentially leaving a "shell". I would never send my animals to slaughter, however there needs to be an outlet. What exactly do you think we should do with all the euthanized bodies? You can't bury them, you really can't take them to the dump, it takes thousands of dollars to cremate them. There are simply NOT enough homes for the millions of horses out there.
         
        06-19-2013, 11:50 PM
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    [quote=Ladie;2846738]according to you! Don't makes about slaughter. That's not what C99 started the post about!/quote]

    Excuse me? Are you trying to say 'don't make stuff up'...? If so then you're certainly mistaken, nothing in my post was 'made up'. THIS is precisely the type of response that makes me wonder if many anti-slaughter folks are uneducated about the issue.
         

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