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        06-20-2013, 12:38 AM
      #51
    c99
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by c99    
    The Equine Right To A Quality Life movement (www.equineright.com) started an important petition for Canadians who are members of provincial horse councils/federations/Equine Canada.

    More information and Petition Link:
    https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitio...rity-of-choice

    This will help horse rescues and horses too. Pls post to Facebook, friends & share share share!
    To clarify, my post is above.

    Some vicious people here are intent on jumping on anyone - keep the peace against those people - they are fighting their own internal war - feel sorrier for the horses who loose their short-lived lives for no good reason.

    I just hope that those Canadians who think its a good idea signs the petition, rescues are really struggling to keep afloat - lets share the petition on our Facebook pages for those who agree and thank you
         
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        06-20-2013, 12:49 AM
      #52
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    I will never support a rescue taking on an animal who will never live a sound, comfortable life post-rescue. Nor will I support a rescue who keeps a miserable animal alive through a long, painful recovery. With that said, I do support local rescues as much as I can, I think they are wonderful things and would love to see rescues gain more support from different organizations- while the subject of the petition does put me off. I think it should be done differently, in a way that doesn't just attract the 'bleeding hearts' and then leaves those who believe slaughter is a good thing fighting against it. If the content was 'neutral' without the underlying offense to people who support slaughter I think it would gain more support, because rescues ARE struggling to keep afloat (and, I think, would be in even worse shape if slaughter was taken off the table...)
         
        06-20-2013, 12:54 AM
      #53
    c99
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    Originally Posted by bsms    
    The petition is for:

    "Currently, the provincial horse councils / federations have have banded together into a corporation called the "Horse Welfare Alliance Of Canada (HWAC)" which campaigns for horse slaughter in Canada and the eating of horse meat.

    I do not agree with and do not want to see my membership dues support the aims of HWAC as regards horse slaughter or eating horse meat. By signing this petition, I demand that my provincial horse council donates 25% of my yearly membership dues to the organization or charity/horse rescue that I choose which I believe best represents my beliefs in support of the interests of equine wellbeing and longetivity."

    "they not talking about slaughter anywhere"?????

    They not?
    I viewed the petition as about freedom of choice. Freedom to keep more horses alive and help those who work for that effort like rescues.

    Personally, I would rather support keeping horses alive.

    AlexS, AlexisC and a few others have turned this into an ugly slaughter-only issue. It would have been more constructive to point out why people shouldn't have a choice about the allocation of their membership dues - and on topic.
         
        06-20-2013, 01:02 AM
      #54
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    See my previous post.

    The wording of the petition itself is what sparked the 'slaughter' debate. If something wants to gain support it should NOT come off as abrasive and exclusive. The petition is about freedom of choice, but uses harshness in an attempt to get what it wants and thus turns it into a slaughter or no slaughter debate.
         
        06-20-2013, 01:08 AM
      #55
    c99
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    Originally Posted by alexischristina    
    I will never support a rescue taking on an animal who will never live a sound, comfortable life post-rescue. Nor will I support a rescue who keeps a miserable animal alive through a long, painful recovery. With that said, I do support local rescues as much as I can, I think they are wonderful things and would love to see rescues gain more support from different organizations- while the subject of the petition does put me off. I think it should be done differently, in a way that doesn't just attract the 'bleeding hearts' and then leaves those who believe slaughter is a good thing fighting against it. If the content was 'neutral' without the underlying offense to people who support slaughter I think it would gain more support, because rescues ARE struggling to keep afloat (and, I think, would be in even worse shape if slaughter was taken off the table...)
    Now you are putting rescues through the grinder by suggesting that they take on animals 'who will never live a ...'. Do you know that 80% of horses sent to slaughter are healthy animals?

    The "miserable animals" you equate with rescues now are probably happier to be alive.

    Maybe it would be good for you to think outside the box. Animals are living beings - would you want your life ended so young? If humans were slaughtered, would you want to line up?

    No offense (because you will take offense) how do you think a horse feels? Do you agree that an animal should be vivisected while alive and conscious? That is what will happen to your own horse if a killer-buyer packs it off in a truck from auction. That pretty gelding you have ... are you prepared to send him off to his death so cruelly?

    One day you will see what Paul McCartney, Robert Redford, Bo Derek, President Obama .... and so many, many countless other influential people really believe. Until then, peace be with you and your horse sister
         
        06-20-2013, 01:16 AM
      #56
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    Yes. I can answer that 100%. If I knew there was no way I would live a healthy, painfree life then I would rather be "put down" so to say than subjected to long, painful treatment that *might* work. I'm not talking about horses who have been neglected or beaten, but can be healed and made comfortable while they are treated.

    Did you know that the money it takes to save one animal in the horrendous condition I'm talking about could save multiple animals with a better chance for survival?

    Horses don't feel things in the same way we do, they don't think to the future 'gee, after I'm finished with all this scary pain I'll live a better life, I have something to look forward to'. And I do remain of the opinion that slaughter should be strictly regulated, and those plants that are do things as humanely as possible. I'm 100% for that.

    And no, I don't think my opinion will be changing any time soon.
         
        06-20-2013, 01:18 AM
      #57
    Trained
    I'll sign your idea alexischristina.
         
        06-20-2013, 01:22 AM
      #58
    c99
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alexischristina    
    See my previous post.

    The wording of the petition itself is what sparked the 'slaughter' debate. If something wants to gain support it should NOT come off as abrasive and exclusive. The petition is about freedom of choice, but uses harshness in an attempt to get what it wants and thus turns it into a slaughter or no slaughter debate.
    Horse people are forced to pay their dues to support slaughtering horses and eating horse meat and many horse council members don't even know that's what is happening. It's nowhere in fine print or any print when you join or renew a membership. Would you pay your dog association dues if they served up pooch on your dinner plate? Some people view their horses as family and beloved pets. I for one.
         
        06-20-2013, 01:25 AM
      #59
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    I view my horse as 'family', but horses ARE livestock. You are not a better or more moral person because you don't support horse slaughter, you are not a 'better' or more loving horse owner, so there's no need to be condescending.
         
        06-20-2013, 01:35 AM
      #60
    c99
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alexischristina    
    Yes. I can answer that 100%. If I knew there was no way I would live a healthy, painfree life then I would rather be "put down" so to say than subjected to long, painful treatment that *might* work.
    Great. We will respect your decision. However, assisted suicide is not legal so too bad. Maybe if you had a choice, you might be happier.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alexischristina    
    I'm not talking about horses who have been neglected or beaten, but can be healed and made comfortable while they are treated.

    Did you know that the money it takes to save one animal in the horrendous condition I'm talking about could save multiple animals with a better chance for survival?.
    Do you know that the example above is the exception and not the rule? Most horses headed for slaughter are healthy.

    [quote=alexischristina;2847346]Horses don't feel things in the same way we do, they don't think to the future 'gee, after I'm finished with all this scary pain I'll live a better life, I have something to look forward to'.

    Horses are the supreme survivors. Like any life form, living is the priority no matter what the odds.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alexischristina    
    And no, I don't think my opinion will be changing any time soon.
    Live not and let live not.
         

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