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        06-13-2013, 08:27 PM
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    You can't look at one documentary and create a base for judgement. People making these documentaries find the worst of the worst. They seek out the people who don't abide by the law and then they edit things together to look absolutely repulsive. I refuse to watch shock factor documentaries because they are not accurate depictions of the industry- and let face it, the people who don't follow the laws and regulations won't follow regardless of what is passed and how many petitions are created. The people hurt by bans are the ones following regulation in the first place.
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        06-14-2013, 02:31 AM
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    Green Broke
    I walk the fence line on this. I would be okay with it if I knew all horses were put down properly and humanely.... And it may just be me, but I don't find loading horses in chutes and putting a blade between the ears humane...
    Also I know some trucks from the states ship up to Quebec. There's a video where the horses were on a 36 hour trip and didn't get any food or water at all.
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        06-14-2013, 10:43 AM
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    Yearling
    It is not a blade. It is a metal rod. The instant it pierces the brain the animal is dead. No ifs, ands or buts about. If they were chemically euthed there would be nothing we could do with the bodies. You can't even legally bury them, the chemicals will seep into the water table. Why not USE the remains for something useful? If they're on the truck, they were probably not very wanted anyway. Sure some bleeding hearts will say all horses are wanted, but there simply are not enough homes. So why not do something useful with them, instead of having them rot in a landfill?
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        06-14-2013, 04:45 PM
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    It is not a blade. It is a metal rod. The instant it pierces the brain the animal is dead.
    Can you direct me to a source for this? The ones I've found say the gun only stuns the animal.
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        06-14-2013, 05:06 PM
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    Also I know some trucks from the states ship up to Quebec. There's a video where the horses were on a 36 hour trip and didn't get any food or water at all.

    THIS is what we should be fighting, no animal should have to travel 100 or worse 1000's of miles to go to slaughter, THAT is inhumane, kill them locally then transport the carcasses.

    Yes there have been problems with horses being run through plants designed for cows, that is a reason to call for better design, and better training of personnel not a banning of the whole process.

    I 100% support humane and ethical treatment of all animals going for slaughter, whatever species
         
        06-14-2013, 06:31 PM
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    Can you direct me to a source for this? The ones I've found say the gun only stuns the animal.
    Once the brain is pierced the animal is technically dead. Just like with humans, once they are brain dead they are considered dead. No pain can be felt.
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        06-14-2013, 07:10 PM
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    Green Broke
    Opposing slaughter because you found a video of an inhumane kill makes as much sense as opposing cars because you saw a drunk driver wreck. Protest the transportation or killing methods, but pretty hypocritical to protest horse slaughter unless you are vegan. At least I could respect that opinion. Maybe not agree but could respect it.
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        06-15-2013, 09:56 AM
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    Showing
    Ponyboy, did CBC name the plant? Unless a person has attended a killing and has first hand knowledge, we can't go by hearsay as the reliability of the source is an unknown. Living near the Trans Canada highway, when the PMU business was in full swing, half the town saw many many horses being shipped in cattle liners.
         
        06-15-2013, 12:59 PM
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    Trained
    The documentary was probably the one at Natural Valley, just a few miles away from us.

    They sucked as a cattle slaughtering facility, I took a cow down who had put her calf bed out and it had frozen, asked for her to be shot straight away, that was first thing in the morning, and she didn't get done until the afternoon

    They sucked as a horse slaughter plant because they were built and set up as a cattle handling plant, and because the personnel sucked.

    They closed down TG.
         
        06-15-2013, 07:37 PM
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    Once the brain is pierced the animal is technically dead.
    In some places the penetrating bolt gun is not used anymore because it can spread prion diseases. There is another type of gun which is blunt, it does not pierce the skull and only stuns the animal. I did some more research and I think the gun they use depends on the regulations in your state/country.

    That's the least of the issues with slaughter though, I just mentioned it because I was curious.

    And yes, the documentary was about Natural Valley.
         

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