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        06-20-2013, 01:41 AM
      #61
    c99
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alexischristina    
    I view my horse as 'family', but horses ARE livestock.
    Horses are Livestock ... What legal or legislative reference is that from? Never heard that one. I have heard 'companion' animals, or pets as regards horses and designation.
         
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        06-20-2013, 01:54 AM
      #62
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by c99    
    Horses are Livestock ... What legal or legislative reference is that from? Never heard that one. I have heard 'companion' animals, or pets as regards horses and designation.

    LOL, try keeping your rescued horse in your city back yard and I think you'll find the word Livestock used in the official requests to move the animal
         
        06-20-2013, 01:59 AM
      #63
    Started
    I'm not going to go out of my way to link you to specifics, but horses are protected as livestock, they are considered livestock by the federal health of animal regulations as well as personally defined as livestock by many registries and individual owners.
         
        06-20-2013, 02:04 AM
      #64
    Super Moderator
    The way I see this debate, the main point is that the OP objects to the fact that membership in this organization, apparently something that's pretty much required if you plan to have a career in the horse world of Canada, means that some of your membership dues will go to support something they find ethically wrong. They are both trying to make this fact known to the many member who pay the fee, unaware of , or perhaps uncarind of, where the funds go.
    AND, change the dynamics of this system so that the automatic channeling of funds go from supporting slaughter to supporting rescues.

    Although I agree that mention and discussion of slaughter is pertinent to this debate, it is NOT the main focus for the OP's bringing this petition to this forum.

    Please keep your discussions civil and cogent and limit the explanation points.
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        06-20-2013, 02:21 AM
      #65
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by c99    

    AlexS, AlexisC and a few others have turned this into an ugly slaughter-only issue. It would have been more constructive to point out why people shouldn't have a choice about the allocation of their membership dues - and on topic.

    I don't much care, if you do - then you send me about $400 a month, and I will save a horse for you. Put your money where your mouth is. I am for real. Are you?
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        06-20-2013, 02:25 AM
      #66
    Super Moderator
    It would piss me off if part of my membership dues went to support something I vehemently opposed. Kind of like taxes , and war. But, that IS off topic.
         
        06-20-2013, 02:38 AM
      #67
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by c99    
    Horse people are forced to pay their dues to support slaughtering horses and eating horse meat and many horse council members don't even know that's what is happening. It's nowhere in fine print or any print when you join or renew a membership. Would you pay your dog association dues if they served up pooch on your dinner plate? Some people view their horses as family and beloved pets. I for one.

    I have no words.



    I if lived in some places I see people post pics from on here - I would chose not to have a horse, as he would not be in a round pen all his life, never see grass. Others are ok with this, it's not for me.

    I believe my horse should be out in at least 2 acres. If my horse is in prolonged pain, can't be turned out, he would meet a bullet.

    So from that, I don't agree with people out west stalling their horses all the time, so where am I at? Are they wrong, or just different? I think different. Hear me out.

    If it were my horse, I choose a vet coming out, and putting him to sleep. However my world is not all the world, I am a foster parent, and I'd like to be unemployed. It costs money to have a horse in a back pasture that's never seen and it takes a year for them to die painfully, of starvation.


    There are people like that out there. I am a foster parent of humans, in a good world I would not be needed - so for animals it's never going to happen. So lets have a way of putting those animals to sleep.
         
        06-20-2013, 02:38 AM
      #68
    Started
    I agree with that sentiment, Tiny. And I do think people should have the option to send their dues elsewhere, however I think the petition itself was poorly worded / addressed and that was a large part of the reason I'm not in support of the petition and think slaughter has become a big part of this thread.
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        06-20-2013, 06:30 PM
      #69
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shropshirerosie    
    I don't normally join in these pro/anti slaughter threads, but I am curious about some facts here.

    I am in Canada now, but was in the UK before. The legal method of slaughter of all animals in all abbattoirs in the UK is stunning with electric bolts to the head, followed by a metal bolt to the brain. I had assumed, possibly naively that it was the same here.

    Is it really the case that high volume slaughter houses use bolt guns without stunning first? That seems highly inefficient, as well as resulting in an unnecessarily high risk of cruelty.
    I've never even heard of an electric bolt before. What's the point of using an electric bolt and then a metal one?
         
        06-20-2013, 07:12 PM
      #70
    Foal
    I have never heard of an electric bolt either... Like I said the bolt gun is the same as a bullet, just no projectile involved. There is nothing cruel about it when applied properly.
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