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        01-01-2013, 02:16 PM
      #31
    Showing
    No breed agreements are common with registered dogs so why not horses. If you contact the previous owner he may hold a hard line on the original document but may be willing to give you a photocopy. Perhaps he would give you the original if you offered to sign a legal agreement that you will neither breed nor race the mare. That's if he still has the original.
         
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        01-01-2013, 03:24 PM
      #32
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Captain Evil    
    A friend of mine bought a beautiful Arabian mare by El Paso* out of a Bask* daughter. 20 or so of them were sent to the auction when the big Arabian crash happened. When he get her papers as he intended to breed her, he found that she, and all of the others, had been declared "dead". That way, the breeder could collect insurance money without actually killing the horses. Kind of shocking for me, but at least the horses weren't actually slaughtered.
    Insurance fraud? Hmm ... I wonder what the statute of limitations on that is.
         
        01-01-2013, 03:41 PM
      #33
    Started
    Any TB's we rehome from racing, we keep the passports. If they are sold the passports go with. This limits the possibility for a few things:

    1) Breeding from the horse. You can look at this two ways... a) the previous owner doesnt want the new owner to get a bit of luck and make some cash and b) if it wasn't good enough on the track, chances are the progeny won't be and it will restrict breeding it.

    2) Racing the horse again. Again.. you can look at this a few ways.. the same as above where the previous owner doesnt want the horse to do well and then there is times when a horse is retired due to age, injury, ect... if it doesnt have its passport.. it won't be runnin.

    By law here all horses are meant to be accompanied by their passports. I know this isn't done in the US, but unless the horse is competing or breeding, there is little they can do to enforce it. Truth be told, I had Simba passported and registered and at the three shows we went to this year, it wasn't checked once. It takes nothing to get a general passport for a horse, so all of the rehomed TB's can have one... it just won't be the proper weatherbys book they need to compete and breed.

    I personally think it's a good thing.... I suppose working with TBs I'm well accustom to seeing horses go to proper sales. If a mare can't get into one of the many breedingstock sales every year it's probably not worth breeding.

    A friend of mine recently got her hands on a TB she used to groom.. he ended up being sold a few years ago and globetrotting to sunnier climates. Anyway, when he arrived she was given a "declaration to never race" form that she had to sign before they would give her the passport.
         
        01-01-2013, 04:06 PM
      #34
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
    The horse's pedigree isn't removed from the breed's database though, and will probably be in the information that they are sending. However, de-registering should always be available to breeders that wish to. It should go hand-in-hand with further encouragement to not breed unregistered stock. If a responsible breeder de-registers a horse because it is not of breeding or show quality, and a responsible owner buys it and decides not to breed it for the sake of using all its organs, then the horse world would be much better off.
    Unless there are health- or age-related reasons for not showing a horse, that responsible new owner who bought the horse and chooses not to breed the horse should be allowed to show the horse in at least rookie or novice competition and/or introductory shows (I'm using the AQHA terminology for entry-level competition classes) if (s)he so wishes. The former owner wanting to avoid competition or being afraid of being shown up by a horse (s)he abandoned should not be a factor.
         
        01-01-2013, 07:52 PM
      #35
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman    
    Unless there are health- or age-related reasons for not showing a horse, that responsible new owner who bought the horse and chooses not to breed the horse should be allowed to show the horse in at least rookie or novice competition and/or introductory shows (I'm using the AQHA terminology for entry-level competition classes) if (s)he so wishes. The former owner wanting to avoid competition or being afraid of being shown up by a horse (s)he abandoned should not be a factor.
    So, I won't be able to compete past novice level with her unless I have her registration reinstated?
         
        01-01-2013, 10:47 PM
      #36
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman    
    Unless there are health- or age-related reasons for not showing a horse, that responsible new owner who bought the horse and chooses not to breed the horse should be allowed to show the horse in at least rookie or novice competition and/or introductory shows (I'm using the AQHA terminology for entry-level competition classes) if (s)he so wishes. The former owner wanting to avoid competition or being afraid of being shown up by a horse (s)he abandoned should not be a factor.
    And if you continued to read my post, I suggested that there should be a different section of the registry for horses that are not of breeding quality. Note I didn't say show quality there. If the breeder deems that the horse should not be bred from, they should be able to enforce that with the registry. If the new owner wants to show them, they should be able to.
         
        01-02-2013, 03:35 PM
      #37
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BornToRun    
    So, I won't be able to compete past novice level with her unless I have her registration reinstated?
    I'm not sure how it works with Anglo's, but I know to show on the rated Arabian circuit in Canada, they have to be registered CAHR or CPAR.
         

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