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    02-16-2009, 01:19 PM
  #1
Showing
Choosing the right age and gender...

Alright, so some of you have read my "Selfish Rant" thread and know that the opportunity has presented itself for me to get a Friesian later on this year. (This arrangement is about 95% positive.)
Now, I personally am having a really hard time even starting to LOOK at Friesians because I'm having dilemmas as to what ages and genders to look at.
Here's my rationale:

GENDER:

Mare:
Pros
- Probably the best choice all around. (HOWEVER... I get along better with stallions or geldings)If she's got good conformation, a good mind, and an outstanding pedigree, she's worth something.
- Even if she gets injured such that she's no longer a performance horse, she can still be used for breeding. (Yes, I'm daring to say the "b" word, because let's face it, Friesians are generally in high-ish demand, and don't devalue much. In my mind, it's not like breeding a Quarter Horse. Of course I would still have standards.)
- If I do breed her, I can sell the foal for pretty big $.

Cons
- Can be less "flashy" than stallions/geldings - I'm not sure what it is...
- I generally get along better with stallions/geldings; again, don't know why, it's a personal preference. If this is to be my dream horse, should I really even consider a mare?

Geldings:
Pros
- Even-tempered, I get along better with males (geldings, stallions)
- Possibility of freezing semen if left a little later to geld
- I have found that my personality meshes better with a gelding or stallion.

Cons
- Cannot be used for breeding
- Basically "worthless" (excuse me for saying it) if injured

Stallion:
Pros
- Have that little extra "uumph" if you will, that little extra sparkle
- Are able to breed, therefore not losing too much value if injured to the point of only being breeding-sound
- I am not uncomfortable handling a stallion; been there, done that
- If used for breeding, could regain some costs
- Can be gelded if need be

Cons
- Can be testy
- Need special boarding arrangements, which I'm positive I could find



AGE:

Foal (weanling to 2 years): I would have the ability to be there with the foal from being very young and have it essentially grow up with me. CacheDawnTaxes on this forum has been very helpful walking me through her experience, and it sounds great. I have always had the desire to raise a foal, this would be great! I would be able to ON the other hand, there are some cons... foals get hurt. They like to play and can get hurt.... what if I then have a $10,000 foal that's injured for life? Also, we're looking at 1-3 years before it can be ridden. Another con is that when you buy a foal, you never really know how they're going to turn out. You could get a dud.

Young (3-6 years): Able to start under saddle, ready to go. Generally prices for this age range have doubled from the "foal" stage. Of course the obvious pro for this age range is that they're able to be ridden. However, someone may have started this horse in a manner that I don't agree with, or some "steps" could have been skipped. Generally the horse has been through some testing by now, and you have a good idea about how they perform. You also do know how their conformation is, and what their movement looks like.

Seasoned (7+ years, would not buy over 12.): Horse has been there, done that. Training has been set in place and either I agree with it, or have to start again. Prices are generally at their peak here. Of course the obvious pro is that I can just sit back and enjoy my horse; the leg work has already been done to get the horse to a training point where I can just advance. I am able to do pretty much everything I want on the horse, and not have to worry about "young" injuries. I also don't have to worry too much about doing things for the "first" time, the horse has been there and done that.



Alright, that's my list so far. I'm sure I will revisit and revise my list.
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    02-16-2009, 11:28 PM
  #2
Showing
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    02-17-2009, 12:30 AM
  #3
Weanling
It sounds like you need to decide what you are looking for in this dream horse. Do you want this to be a horse you can hop on and go from day one, a diamond you can polish up the rough edges on, or a blank slate?

Will you be happy if you sell the horse you have to get a 2-year-old that you are then very limited in the amount of actual riding work you can do with it for the first year or two or is training something you really want to do and so are willing to make that sacrifice? Do you have someone who can help you with the training when you encounter problems you don't know how to fix?

As for Mare/Stallion/Gelding, I'd say keep your mind open and find the horse that feels right. Unless you are getting the horse bc you REALLY want to breed it, a horse that clicks will probably be more important than its anatomy.

Just my 2 cents.
     
    02-17-2009, 12:40 AM
  #4
Started
Honestly, I think you can debate and weigh pros and cons all you want beforehand, but when you actually see the friesians, you might find your ideas change. I wouldn't worry so much about exactly what age and gender to get, Allie. I know this has taken you by surprise and you may even be stressed by it, but take it one day at a time. Keep your options open and have a look around at many different horses. You may be surprised by the age/gender of the horse you end up getting -- it may be completely different than what you first decided on. I know its smart to plan ahead and that's great that you are doing that, but don't let it stress you out ... wait a little while and see what horses come your way. Hope that helped a bit ...

That being said, I think a gelding would be my last choice over a mare & stallion since he cannot be bred.
     
    02-17-2009, 12:41 AM
  #5
Trained
I would go for Stallion because I, like you, mesh better with the boys. Their testy-ness is usually a good challenge IMO as long as you're not getting something that has been trained it's okay to mount everything in site since it has it's bits.

On that note, I would say maybe go with a two year old? I think that since it's your dream horse, you should start it as early as possible. Search around for a good breeder whose methods you agree with as far as the groundwork stuff and then once you start riding, it can be all you.

I have always wanted to raise a foal as well, but knowing my luck they'd run out and kill themselves the second the check left my hand so I totally understand that.

Obviously, if you find a 7 year old mare you just LOVE go with that, but the above is what I would consider my ideal if I was in your shoes.

Exciting!
Have you decided what you are doing with Denny?
     
    02-17-2009, 01:58 AM
  #6
Showing
Thank you ladies for your input!!
I need a new chant:

"I will not stress I will not stress I will not..."

So.. I will let my horse find me!!

As far as Denny goes.. I called Tiff (FehrGroundRach) and she's either going to take him, or board him for a good price... of course I'll end up paying her waaay more than she would want!! She's an amazing friend, I can't believe how lucky I am to know her.

Kelly (CacheDawnTaxes) is also being amazing and doing a ton of research for me - yay!!! I have a feeling she may find my dream horse for me ;)
     
    02-17-2009, 03:58 PM
  #7
Foal
Frankly speaking, you shouldn't even be considering breeding, Stallion or Mare, unless your putting the time, effort and everything into bettering the breed. You just spoke of money and that's waaa~ay not right! No offense.

Also, in Friesians, if you're talking of a broodmare you really need to do your research and understand the Stam Lines and inbreeding co-efficient. These are horses that are rare, and still have high inbred lines. You'll want a mare with an in-breeding co-efficient of 3% or less (my TJ is a 3.12% which would be awesome if he were a mare!). It will give you more Stallion options.There are 3 major Motherlines for Approved Stallions. The largest pool is Tetman 205 followed by Ritske 202 Pref and Age 168.

To me, getting a Stallion and talking of breeding is a mute point. Only Approved Breeding Stallions should be breeding!! Any other stallion is not really "legally" allowed to (but people obviously still do). Otherwise, you're just hindering the Organizations progression, and doing the breed no good.
     
    02-17-2009, 04:18 PM
  #8
Yearling
Personally, I don't think you should be concerned with the gender too much. You will probably come across "The One" and that won't matter too much. But if you can handle a stallion that might be your best option. On the other hand age is pretty important. I would say to get a younger horse, preferably a weanling/yearling so you know everything that has happened in his/her life.

That's just my input. I know you'll find the perfect horse for you Allie!
     
    02-17-2009, 06:33 PM
  #9
Showing
Regarding breeding - I have spoken many many times about my feelings on the subject, sorry I didn't mention it here, but of course I would be breeding to better the breed. Also, if I were to get a stallion or mare, I would definitely take it to any and all .. what's the word I'm looking for.. Inspections? That I possibly could. Sorry I didn't mention it, but that would be the plan... not just buy to breed for $.
I am on the hunt now... and I am looking at both fillies and colts...
     
    02-17-2009, 07:00 PM
  #10
Foal
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
Regarding breeding - I have spoken many many times about my feelings on the subject, sorry I didn't mention it here, but of course I would be breeding to better the breed. Also, if I were to get a stallion or mare, I would definitely take it to any and all .. what's the word I'm looking for.. Inspections? That I possibly could. Sorry I didn't mention it, but that would be the plan... not just buy to breed for $.
I am on the hunt now... and I am looking at both fillies and colts...
Cool. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound snarky. I'm kinda' an Elitist, I believe is the term, when it comes to breeds and breeding, esp. Friesians as it's "my" breed, yah know?

Actually, all Friesians MUST be taken to a keur (inspection) for inclusion into the studbook, period. Your filly would need to be awarded breeding papers before you could breed her, and stallions, well, again, mute point. There are approximately 3,000 Friesians worldwide, and only 100 Approved Breeding Stallions. And Approval isn't Permanent until their offspring are tested.

Everything else I said still is relevant. You need to understand Stam Lines and inbreeding co-efficient and Rules and Regulations of the Studbook. Breeding Friesians actually is more strategic than some other breeds.

I would really ask the FHANA or FHS (which ever you steer towards, original, authentic Dutch or German, the later mentioned) for a copy of the Rules/Regulations handbook or study up online.
     

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