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        12-04-2012, 06:26 PM
      #21
    Yearling
    I never let my horse drink from a community trough because of EIA. If my horse dies because somebody else decided NOT to test their animals before bringing them around others, I would be INCREDIBLY pissed off. EIA is spread because owners don't test, and the results may not be on your doorstep when they happen. Say your horse is a carrier, but doesn't show symptoms, and you buy your kid a horse and two months later said horse dies because of EIA. Now its your problem, but it wouldn't be if that horse were the horse who drank after yours on a trail.

    I test my horses once a yr (state mandatory if you want to compete or use the parks) and would have a horse that tested positive put down.

    No offense to those who don't test, its a choice.
         
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        12-04-2012, 06:42 PM
      #22
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    I'm sure it is the testing and euthanasia policy that's keeping it under control
    When we came here from the UK our horses had to have 2 clear tests before they left and then further tests while they spent a month in quarantine
    Auction yards here and in nearby states wont accept horses without a recent coggins, a lot of competition sites wont allow entries without one and neither will indoor schools that hire out their facilities
    Some more info
    EQUINE INFECTIOUS ANEMIA: The Only Protection is Prevention - AAEP
         
        12-04-2012, 06:45 PM
      #23
    Yearling
    Its recommended to test twice a year. But mostly all people I know test yearly. I just moved to a new barn. But my horse had been around the same horses for the past year that all tested negative recently. So the vet will be out next week. Was supposed to be tomorrow but car trouble caused me to push it off a week. When I bought him. He came with negative test also.

    All rides and shows around her require negative coggins. I just don't hear about it around here so I wasn't sure what happened to those horses. Thanks for all of the answers. :)
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        12-04-2012, 06:46 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    I'm with AlexS on the point that it does not prove anything. All that test means is that the horse in question DID NOT have EIA at the time the blood was drawn. It is entirely possible to have a negative Coggins drawn and the horse be exposed even that afternoon. Then for one year from that date, there is a horse with the paperwork allowing him to go where the owner pleases to take him and he is still able to infect other horses.

    If the government were to do sweeps, every few months for two or 3 years, test EVERY horses at no cost to the owner and put down any that tested positive, they could eliminate the disease.
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        12-04-2012, 07:13 PM
      #25
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by MysterySparrow    
    I'm with AlexS on the point that it does not prove anything. All that test means is that the horse in question DID NOT have EIA at the time the blood was drawn. It is entirely possible to have a negative Coggins drawn and the horse be exposed even that afternoon. Then for one year from that date, there is a horse with the paperwork allowing him to go where the owner pleases to take him and he is still able to infect other horses.

    If the government were to do sweeps, every few months for two or 3 years, test EVERY horses at no cost to the owner and put down any that tested positive, they could eliminate the disease.
    This would work if they checked ALL horses including feral horses.

    The state of Georgia did an extensive project that took many years working to eliminate brucellosis in cattle. They tested every cow that was sold in the state and they tested cattle out on farms. Any positives were taken out of the herd and the entire herd was quarantined. This has been a very successful program in our state. We are now officially brucellosis free. Cattle are still tested at sale barns. It was and is a very expensive program. It probably never would have happened if brucellosis were not a human pathogen. It seems unlikely that there will be such an extensive program for EIA since it is not something that can kill people.
         
        12-04-2012, 07:27 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    We test yearly because we haul our girl to shows, trail rides, parades, and play days. Her paperwork is always with me in the trailer. I have no problem with the requirement if it does save lives.

    Like others, we carry and sanitize our own buckets and do not use communal water troughs. I also do not lend out my supplies to anyone I do not know (I do share with our show team because I am confident their animals are healthy).

    I honestly believe that if something is required by law, than it should be done. If you don't like a law, then you should work to change it.
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        12-04-2012, 10:17 PM
      #27
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    Originally Posted by AnalisaParalyzer    
    i never let my horse drink from a community trough because of EIA. If my horse dies because somebody else decided NOT to test their animals before bringing them around others, I would be INCREDIBLY pissed off. EIA is spread because owners don't test, and the results may not be on your doorstep when they happen. Say your horse is a carrier, but doesn't show symptoms, and you buy your kid a horse and two months later said horse dies because of EIA. Now its your problem, but it wouldn't be if that horse were the horse who drank after yours on a trail.

    I test my horses once a yr (state mandatory if you want to compete or use the parks) and would have a horse that tested positive put down.

    No offense to those who don't test, its a choice.
    You could kill another horse unknowingly though.
    So you test on Jan 15th, it's negative. Jan 30th you take the horse off property, it meets other horses - gets infected.
    You continue to take your horse off property meeting other horses until next Jan's test, which comes back positive.

    What exactly did your negative coggins do for you the first time around? Sure the second time it helps you to stop infecting more horses, but the first test did nothing.

    A coggins test is only helpful if it's positive or done every month or week depending on how often the horse leaves your property.
         
        12-04-2012, 10:42 PM
      #28
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by MysterySparrow    
    I'm with AlexS on the point that it does not prove anything. All that test means is that the horse in question DID NOT have EIA at the time the blood was drawn. It is entirely possible to have a negative Coggins drawn and the horse be exposed even that afternoon. Then for one year from that date, there is a horse with the paperwork allowing him to go where the owner pleases to take him and he is still able to infect other horses.

    If the government were to do sweeps, every few months for two or 3 years, test EVERY horses at no cost to the owner and put down any that tested positive, they could eliminate the disease.
    Your argument is missing something. While so called nationwide sweeps probably may have eliminated it sooner, bottom line seems to be that nation wide annual testing by most horse owners seems to have nearly eliminated the problem with out the gestapo tactics. While in theory a horse could be infected and wonder around for a year. In actual practice that doesnt seem to be the case.
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        12-04-2012, 11:46 PM
      #29
    Yearling
    EIA is nasty. Horses are affected differently. Some horses decline so fast they are right on death's door and some seem to tolerate it longer before showing outward signs a couple of years later - it will still run them down in the end.

    There is no cure - euthanasia is the only option if the owner won't or can't (financially) keep the animal under the strict quarantine guidelines for the rest of its life. DVM's and diagnostic labs (whichever run the test) are required by law to report their findings or risk losing their credentials. There's no hiding it if your horse comes up positive, but you are allowed to ask for a retest from another DVM and use a different lab but I've never seen a positive result turn out to be negative where I am....they've always still been positive on the retest.

    Had someone call me once and ask what to do IF a horse came up positive with EIA and I told her what the law says - of course she was being mysterious - I could tell she was indeed talking about a real situation but she pretended it was hypothetical.

    She didn't want the 'hypothetical' horse to be euthanized so she was brainstorming to me out loud that no one would ever know if 'said horse' was trailered across the state to a friend's house to live there but she wasn't going to tell the friend the horse tested positive - she planned to tell the vet or in her words 'whoever came knockin' that her husband shot and buried the horse. I don't know what happened in the end - as far as I know, that horse did get trailered to wherever her friend lived. But it would have eventually succumbed. That was over 10 years ago - that horse is dead now.
         

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