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    04-15-2012, 01:38 AM
Considering a Trade...

In January, I rescued a little filly, got her registered, and have been giving her the good groceries and loving watching her bloom. I registered her as A Little Bit of Faith, but we call her Bailey. She is a very late 2011 APHA filly, born June 28.

She has nothing spectacular in her bloodlines, her sire line has Gallant Ghost (APHA champion) and her dam line is quarter running bred. Lots of nice looking horses in there, a few performers, a few halter point winners on both sides.

She is a good little filly. Ties, leads, picks up feet and accepts blankets hanging all over her, no doubt she will be a nice riding horse. She is built correctly, and is very cute. Both her parents are 15.1, and she string tests to 15.1/15.2... her grandsires are both taller. I have no problem letting her hang out until her three year old year (due to her late start) before doing anything other than ground work.

Here's the dilemna... I show my APHA solid mare, Whiskey, and we are starting to get more competitive as she nears close to a year under saddle. The solid classes are small, and so points are hard to get, but we now have 2 Amt. Showmanship, 1 Amt. Western Pleasure, 2 Open Western Pleasure and 3 Open Hunter Under Saddle points in just 2 shows this year. Many of the classes have 5 horses in them, so we need one more solid to get those classes two pointers...

My trainer has a really nicely bred solid 2 year old mare in her barn, Chancey, that is being started and is said to move REALLY nicely. Her sire is a 16 hand grey tobiano out of the AQHA top 15 leading super sire, Good Assets. Good Assets had 41 points in pleasure, 1.5 in Halter, and 8.5 in hunter under saddle and is a leading pleasure sire (but now deceased). Her dam is by APHA Champion Heath Bar None, who is by Open APHA Champion Sullivans Heathen. The filly is a bay roan who is greying out slowly.

Her owner has offered a straight trade for my regular registry filly for her solid mare. I am seriously considering it, as my nineteen year old daughter can show her and help fill classes, and as she matures she may be much more naturally talented than Whiskey... our local APHA clubs offer a full slate of classes beginning this summer, so I am really excited to get to show horsemanship and hunt seat eq., which we haven't had offered to us yet. Putting solids in the ring is what we need to get more classes, and this mare's owner needs a regular registry filly as she has many solids in her barn. My husband thinks I should keep Bailey as she is friendly, well mannered, and has many more opportunities in APHA than a solid. My trainer says there isn't a wrong decision, but Chancey is bred to move competitively, and will be very competitive in the spb classes.

Either way, the horses will be shown mainly in local shows and then eventually be my little girls' 4h horses (in about 6 years)...

Here are pictures, what would you do? Chancey's picture is from last fall, so she is much bigger now. Bailey's pics are recent. If I do go for it, I will be going out to visit Chancey and watch her movement. I am on a business trip for the next 3 weeks, so can't finalize anything until I get home...
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    04-15-2012, 02:45 AM
Well I'm not sure, but that little filly is ADORABLE!!!!!! She looks like the sweetest little thing!!! Sorry for not helping your dilemma, especially if I made the decision harder, but I just felt the need to gush over her :)
    04-15-2012, 03:06 AM
Thanks, she really is the sweetest thing... which makes the decision harder... It is hard competing with pleasure bred horses on the circuit, but if I keep her and show regular registry with her, our focus would be the pattern classes - hunt seat eq., horsemanship, trail and showmanship, so if she can't do that pitpat jog it isn't a deal breaker. Plus there aren't any solid bred kid classes, so that is another benefit to keeping her instead of trading for Chancey. And of course I really don't know what Bailey's movement will be as she still has the baby springy thing going on...

On the negative side of keeping her, her color is more stock horse and less "minimal white overo" that is the preferred look on the circuit. I do love her color though, and her head - though still furry, is really feminine and has the soft look about her eye that I find a great indication of their eventual personality. Chancey has it too...

I am torn. I will know more once I get to visit Chancey and see her in person, see her move, and get to know her personality.
    04-15-2012, 05:56 AM
I think the filly is the third part of the decision:
1) Is your current horse meeting your goals?
2) If not, what else could you get?
3) Do you want the filly?
    04-15-2012, 06:22 PM
Hi AlexS -
To answer - I guess I should clarify that Whiskey is my horse, and not going anywhere... I love her and love showing her, but mostly just love her sweet nature and being around her. The question is with the baby, Bailey - and for that ...
1) Didn't really have any set plans for Bailey when I got her, she needed good groceries and to be registered, so I bought her to do that, and just have fun with her until we figured out her purpose.
2) Not looking for anything else. Bailey is a rescue, and if I keep her, she'll be trained and shown locally and depending on her ability, in the regular registry youth and novice classes later.
3) I love Chancey's breeding, love her looks, and need to see her to decide if a trade is beneficial for both me and her owner. It seems a great opportunity for me to get a very well bred pleasure mare, and put Bailey in a great home as well.

The big advantage to Chancey is that my older daughter's can show with me in the solid classes, which has a double advantage of the fun of showing as well as putting the extra horse in the class and helping our point standings and solid paint bred presence at our local APHA shows...

So, in the end, I'll let you know what I think when I go see her...
    04-15-2012, 07:38 PM
I have a question. Don't take offense, I am VERY curious.

Why would your trainer offer you a straight trade for a filly that is probably worth a lot more than the filly you have right now? Especially since the filly she is offering you is older, and has good bloodlines and she says is a superb mover and will probably clean house in the show ring...Your filly was a backyard breeding and a rescue so is she really that nice of a person? Or is there something wrong with the filly she is offering you? Personality wise or soundness wise? Or does she see "something" in Bailey that she thinks could take her to the top of the show world?

If your just going to show locally and 4-H, why not keep Bailey and enjoy her? If your not going to Congress or World or APHA Circuit shows, do you really need a filly that has that much potential like the trainer says that the grey does? I can see if your going to try to make it to the top, but for local/4-H shows, I'd keep Bailey.

In all honesty, from the pictures posted, I like Bailey better then the grey anyways.
    04-15-2012, 07:47 PM
Same reason I traded a colored filly for a solid colt. Color, I don't care about it, breeders tend to favor it, especially when they raise paints. I never look at color, I look at the horse. The solid is the better horse right now, I don't know in a few years when your rescue matures. Anyways, I commend you wanting to fill up those breeding stock classes. Maybe one of these days I might enter one.....
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    04-15-2012, 07:54 PM
No offense taken at all - the reason is that solid paint breds do not have much opportunities in the APHA ring... they are not expensive because despite the best bloodlines, if they don't have the necessary spot they are very limited in what classes they can show in. There is usually no high point for solids, no youth or novice amt classes, and very limited amt and open classes. I got Whiskey, who is world champion sired and has a great lines, for $500.

Chancey's owner is a fairly big breeder in our area, and has over ten very closely bred solids in her barn now ... so Bailey to her is a chance to get the desired regular registry in her barn to either sell or keep. Bailey's bloodlines do include an APHA Champion and several point earners, so her good looks and solid conformation will end up being more marketable to her than an additional solid.

I show both locally and on the APHA circuit, so in keeping Bailey I would not have the movement that is bred into Chancey, but would definitely have more opportunities for myself and my kids to show her (more classes).

I do think Bailey is special - she may be a rescue, but so was Whiskey and we've already turned down offers thousands more than I paid for her -she has the show record now and with love and care behind them, it's amazing what they can accomplish.

Thanks for your thoughts, I can't wait to see Chancey as I thinik it will help me decide - I just want to have it all really carefully thought out before I go so I don't regret my decision later.
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    04-15-2012, 08:00 PM
Thanks Waresbear, looks like we posted together :) Like you, I don't care about color, though I do like Chancey's roany grey thing she's got goin on... we are trying really hard to promote solids here in Colorado, we had some 2 point classes in our April show, but most of our classes had 4 or 5.... much better than the 1 or 2 we had in January - no point classes suck.

My trainer has a third solid in her barn, a three year old that is just starting her riding career ... so if I get Chancey we will always be bringing 3 SPBs to the shows (guaranteed point for someone!) ... that is why my trainer suggested the trade, she has seen Bailey lots as she rides at my place, and she has Chancey for starting - she thinks it is a fair trade and a win/win...
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    04-15-2012, 08:04 PM
Good luck in your decision, doesn't look like there's really a wrong choice, just a personal one. We both own paints (I have a loud colored one as well as the solid) and don't care about color, go figure!
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