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        10-02-2008, 07:45 PM
      #1
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    crazzzzzzzzzy boy....and question

    Well today was alright. Needless to say from the subject he was super-dee-dooper crazy. Soooooooo much energy and wouldn't slow down in the trot. But weird enough his canter was fairly slow (I mean not as fast as his canter can be).
    He listened to me telling him to turn here or turn there, but when I asked him to slow it down he wouldn't listen. I did some stops, and circling, but ended up having to use two hands.

    But the good news is...he came to me!!! All I did was yell "Sonnnny" and he came over like a good boy!!!

    Now for the question. Lately I've noticed that when riding in the arena (just the arena) he'll get reallllly close to the one side of the fence...practicually rubbing my leg off. If I ask him to move away he does, but it's almost as if he doesn't realize how close he is. It happens either way. And the fence is the fence with the gate on it leading out. Now I did alot of circling when he would get too close, but I'm confused on a way to fix it. Any ideas?

    Edit: OOOOOOOH and the best part of all.......Sonny is all fuzzzzzzzzzzzzzyyyyy (getting his winter coat)
         
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        10-02-2008, 07:54 PM
      #2
    Foal
    Heya there,

    From my experience, here or some ideas.

    As far as the stop goes; I always use the motto of "Speak, then Pull".. Always ask what you want of them before you pull, and make sure that when you aren't you have a loose rein, so that he will react better to a slight pull.
    Same goes for asking the horse to go. Ask, rub, nudge. Always progressive starting with the command before the action.

    Also, as far as the fence issue, I primarily see that "problem" when the horse can either see his pasture, other horses, or the exit from the arena. There is no clear cut solution, but if you have a small gate for the entrance that looks dissimilar to the rest of the area fencing, you may try covering it with an object so that once the horse is in the gate doesn't appear to be the gate.

    Just some ideas.
         
        10-02-2008, 08:23 PM
      #3
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    Originally Posted by TheOpenRange
    Heya there,

    From my experience, here or some ideas.

    As far as the stop goes; I always use the motto of "Speak, then Pull".. Always ask what you want of them before you pull, and make sure that when you aren't you have a loose rein, so that he will react better to a slight pull.
    Same goes for asking the horse to go. Ask, rub, nudge. Always progressive starting with the command before the action.

    Also, as far as the fence issue, I primarily see that "problem" when the horse can either see his pasture, other horses, or the exit from the arena. There is no clear cut solution, but if you have a small gate for the entrance that looks dissimilar to the rest of the area fencing, you may try covering it with an object so that once the horse is in the gate doesn't appear to be the gate.

    Just some ideas.
    Kudos to you....no offense to anyone else, but never thought I'd get that answer from anyone!!
    When he does too fast I'll say "steady" (which is what I've always used for slowing down since I got him) then I give him 2-3 seconds to respond (because he's the type of horse that he knows what you wants but it takes him a second for his brain to "process" the information)....if he doesn't respond, I'll ask him to slow down with my seat...and if he won't respond then I ask with my reins.
    And when I ask him to go I'll first cluck to him, and if he doesn't go I'll squeeze with my seat, then with my legs, then calves, then I'll hit MY leg three times, and if he still won't go, I give him a little tap on the hind-quarters.

    I think it's just the exit, but I'm not sure. This problem just recently started....normally he hates arena work and I usually ride in a pasture, but it was soo muddy I didn't want him to slip or anything. He would listen fine when I asked him to turn and get away from it, but it's just still annoying for me having to be on my gaurd if he got too close again.
    I will try covering the gate up. That might actually work!!

    Also I ride my horse in a rope halter and 12 foot rein (kinda like the Parelli hackamore.....yeah I do parelli) and he listens fine to it, but I'm just confused as to why this habit just started. I'm going to start doing alot more groundwork in the arena instead of the pasture and/or driveway to see if that solves anything.
    Thanks again

    Edit: Also forgot to add...I do ride him in a loose rein...as loose as it can be without him getting his leg into it or tripping on it
         
        10-02-2008, 08:33 PM
      #4
    Foal
    Yeah,

    The only other thing I can suggest is

    A) The stopping problem... trying giving him some warm-up time prior to riding... also if the weather is cooler they tend to be a little more up-tempo so to speak.

    B) The Gate. You can think of ways to give him something else to think about along that rail... tarps on the ground, small jumps, pegs, etc.
         
        10-02-2008, 08:39 PM
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    I always do groundwork before riding him, and walk him around the arena with me on foot before mounting him, then walk him around 1-2 times before asking for anything faster. Sometimes more times around if it's super cold.

    I will try something else to think about during that side...I will put some ground poles (since he hates jumping) and then put the cones close to that side of the fence to hopefully keep him from getting too close to them.

    I just have no idea why this started. I don't know if he's just trying to tell me that he hates the arena, he's just trying to be bad, it was an off day(s), or what.....cause it is totally unlike him.
    I think the crazyness might be due to the weather getting colder plus I've been using very small hand fulls (not even hand fulls...probably like tsp. Full of grain as treats since he doesn't really like anything else). But he doesn't get that much grain.

    Edit: Also I think tomorrow when I ride I'll use my saddle (I normally go bareback...like I did tonight) just in case he is crazy again just so I don't want to worry too much about falling off. That way I can just let him settle down by himself.
         
        10-02-2008, 10:18 PM
      #6
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    I haven't had much experiance with a horse riding very close to a fance, but my mare will do it sometimes, so I just move her off my outside leg and shift my weight to the inside.

    When my BO's husband (a trainer) was rising a green horse, the horse kept banging his leg into the fence at one side. So what he did was grab the outside rein and turn the whole horse's head into the fence. He only did that once and after that the horse respected the fence. I know it may sound extreme, but it worked very well in that horse's case.
         
        10-02-2008, 10:53 PM
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    I did try that (turning his head) and it kinda worked but not fully....it fixed it for that time, but it didn't for the next time.
         
        10-02-2008, 11:39 PM
      #8
    Weanling
    This is a bit off topic, but I though I would ask this. Sonny do you think your horse has so much energy and "crazy" (of course I understand you don't mean that term literally), because he is kept in the stall a lot?

    I could be way off, but it was just a theory for his energy level; Though he could be like that just naturally, but it was just a thought.
         
        10-03-2008, 08:38 AM
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    Originally Posted by o0hawaiigirl0o
    I haven't had much experiance with a horse riding very close to a fance, but my mare will do it sometimes, so I just move her off my outside leg and shift my weight to the inside.

    When my BO's husband (a trainer) was rising a green horse, the horse kept banging his leg into the fence at one side. So what he did was grab the outside rein and turn the whole horse's head into the fence. He only did that once and after that the horse respected the fence. I know it may sound extreme, but it worked very well in that horse's case.
    thats what I do... I've had her bump her head a couple times..and it stopped. Nothing hard enough to hurt herself but enough to say "hey that hurts". I think the horse is trying to rub you off though.

    As far as speed here is something to try... as soon as he speeds up stop and back him, let him settle ask again...etc. Horses don't usually like to go backwards. You should be able to go more and more with less stopping.

    I also think putting a bit in his mouth once and awhile to get him to listen better wouldnt hurt...but I know you don't belive in that.
         
        10-03-2008, 09:24 AM
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    Originally Posted by Brandon
    This is a bit off topic, but I though I would ask this. Sonny do you think your horse has so much energy and "crazy" (of course I understand you don't mean that term literally), because he is kept in the stall a lot?

    I could be way off, but it was just a theory for his energy level; Though he could be like that just naturally, but it was just a thought.
    Oh, silly Brandon...don't ya know me? Hehe (sorry I couldn't resist saying that)
    Sonny is outsite 24/7 rain, shine, sleet, snow, hurricane, tornado.
    The only time he's in a stall is when someone when someone is there with me (with their horse) and I can't block the aisle....normally I just groom him and tack him up in the aisle so he's not in the stall.


    Angel: I don't think he's trying to rub me off only because wouldn't he try it at every other fence? It's just that one fence? That is the fence with the gate and the fence where he can look over to see his buddies (but they weren't in sight). I know originally there was a bucket there that was close to the fence...so maybe he thought I still wanted him to go close to the fence.
    When he would speed up I would stop him, make him back up till we were back in the same spot and continue. It worked for a while but then he sped up.

    I was actually talking to my friend and she thinks the weather is playing a part....now normally Sonny isn't affected, but I never rode him in the fall so maybe it is just the weather.
    And I'm not really anti-bit, but Sonny listens extremely well to the halter and I'd like to see if I can solve it in that since I always ride him in that. If I work on it for a week and still can't solve it then defiantely I'll be using my eggbutt snaffle (not my western bit)...to see if that works.
    But as I said, he will turn away from the fence fine when he is too close, just he ends up getting way too close when he makes the turn to go on that side of the fence. At first I thought maybe a possibly eye problem (I was going in the same direction), but when I switched and he did it also, I think he was just bored of the arena and wanted to go back.
         

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