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post #11 of 17 Old 07-22-2012, 11:52 PM
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Foals are born with instinct. What you're describing isn't "learned bad behavior". Kicking, charging, ear pinning is all natural to this baby.

If it continues to do it without being repremanded, then its "learned bad behavior" because it has learned this behavior is acceptable.

A lead mare will not tolerate this sort of behavior, and if they are the lead mare in their barn (which they should be), they shouldn't tolerate it either. A lead mare would bite a little foal like that. You don't come straight out the womb and be a boss in 24 hours. This little guy needs to learn that this behavior is punishable (a lead mare would bite and shoo him off) and humans are no exception.

On a side note, I love how the "I can and will move you wherever I want to put you" has a celebrity name to it, like it was an original idea. When I was a kid, we used to call it "basic training".
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post #12 of 17 Old 07-23-2012, 12:02 AM
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Thats exactly how our miniature mule filly, Tempest was- from day one. The second she was on the ground she was a little terror, not only to us but to her mama. She'll kick the crap out of anyone and anything in her way and has no problem tearing into her mama if she isnt getting her way or being fed fast enough. At first we were afraid to hurt her by repriminding her and figured she would calm down once she realized we werent going to hurt her- but she just got worse and worse until she kicked at my face one day while I was helping clean her dam's hooves. After that we decided to treat her just like an adult that was asking that way. A few good come to Jesus times later she's not fond of people but she doesnt try anything stupid anymore.

We have to remember that in a herd setting, all of the mare act as the disciplinarians to foals, and that if a foal gets to rough, a mare isnt afraid to give it a good kick or bite. As humans, we pretty much have to do the same thing to get the same results. A nice, well socialized, well mannered foal.
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I imprinted my very first foal and kinda wish I hadn't. He is not aggressive but he doesn't take me very seriously. All he wants to do is play. He's two now and I sent him out for training and I would have loved to have waited until his 3 yr old year, but if he didn't get some better manners he might not have had a home by his 3 yr old year. The guy I bought my mare from says imprinting makes them ornery. Gee, I wish he would have told me that beforehand.

I know it's not the imprinting per say. Because it is also supposed to make them respectful. But because it makes them so comfortable around humans they have no fear of you and a horse really does need to have just a little fear, imo. Because if they have no fear and you don't discipline enough you end up with a little monster.
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post #14 of 17 Old 07-23-2012, 12:26 AM
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We have to remember that in a herd setting, all of the mare act as the disciplinarians to foals, and that if a foal gets to rough, a mare isnt afraid to give it a good kick or bite. As humans, we pretty much have to do the same thing to get the same results. A nice, well socialized, well mannered foal.
Exactly, foals don't understand negotiation or persuasion, they do understand being bitten or kicked, so you have to find a human equivalent, but the most important thing to me is to mean it, with every bone in your body. It isn't anger, or temper, put pure channelled assertiveness that says OH NO YOU DON'T.

I have never had a problem with a foal being scared of me having been Momma Bear'ed, they will come straight back for scratchies
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On a side note, I love how the "I can and will move you wherever I want to put you" has a celebrity name to it, like it was an original idea. When I was a kid, we used to call it "basic training".
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I do know other foals from this stallion. The filly he had this year in April is a sweetheart. A little stubborn but shes controllable and turning into a sweetheart.

His first foal was a complete in your pocket type. She would follow you anywhere. So sweet.

And the now 2 year old (who i swear is half draft...) is a sweetheart. Hes the kindest, calmest horse ive been around in a long time.

Even the stallion is fairly calm. Has a good work ethic and eagerness to please.
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All I can think of is that in racing circles here in Australia, the stallion Catbird's offspring have a bad rep. I knew one of his fillies - she was the meanest, brattiest little 3yo imaginable. Step into her stall and she'd spin and double barrel you without so much as a hello.
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