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        03-03-2013, 10:18 AM
    Green Broke
    There are many great points here. There are a few main things, like breeding less horses, creating more homes and supporting current owners that really could be looked at and improved. Also consider that, at least in Australia and I would imagine in America too, that the racing industries are a huge contributer to unwanted horses, its not just the equestrian scene.
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        03-03-2013, 01:59 PM
    On a similar thread I posed the solution to require licensing to breed. No one could be denied, but for 15 or so bucks one would have to obtain a license and describe in full why they intended to breed dam x to sire y, what outcome they sought and why they thought they would achieve the said results, and what the potential future was for the offspring. This has zero "teeth" (except for fines for not complying), and all proceeds would go to support it and rescue - and it would instantly raise awareness and hopefully decrease the number of the "unwanted". Anywho, many did not like the idea b/c they felt it infringed on their "freedom".

    I find horse slaughter one of the most horrid signs of our times. If it were not for horses, this country would not be on the map. And, this is the thanks they get? There is no national "equine day" recognized federal holiday when horses are honored for their huge contribution to this country? It is a disgrace.
        03-03-2013, 02:21 PM
    As far I know, nobody raises horses for slaughter. These are unwanted horses, if someone wants them, they can certainly buy them or adopt them. Horses cost money to feed and maintain, so if no one wants these animals, humane slaughter is about the only viable alternative that I can see, rather than neglect & starvation. Until something else comes along, I am pro slaughter.
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        03-03-2013, 04:49 PM
    I have to say I have mixed feelings on this subject. Personally I would never send a horse of mine to slaughter, even if the option were available. If I could not keep it, or find a home for it where I was certain it would be cared for, I would have it put down. Slaughtering a horse that I own would be inconceivable to me. However, there are many reasons a person may suddenly find themselves unable to care for their horse(s), and there are also many uninformed or careless owners who neglect their horses everyday, and there are certainly some owners that purposefully neglect their animals.

    Personally, I see slaughter as a necessary evil considering the current conditions and the excess of horses. So many backyard breeders, so many ppl who own horse(s) just for the 'status' of owning them, and so many neglected and mistreated horses are out there that there is no way we could ever care for them all the way they deserve. I would rather see horses humanely put down, and yes, used for their meat than see them live longer and continue suffering.

    Is there a better option? Requiring a license to own or breed horses, &/or having to pass certain test and meet certain requirements is an idea. Although many ppl would certainly object to that proposal. Or, as suggested previously by Lady Dreamer and others, think of ways to stop, or lessen the number of ill-bred horses being produced. Educational programs on reproduction. Gelding clinics. Things of that sort. Come up with ways to create more quality homes. Get new ppl involved in responsible horse ownership.

    Or work on making tougher rules and regulations for slaughter plants. Better ways to humanely euthanize the horses, strict standards that must be met. Group(s) of objective inspectors to maintain watch over them. Until we eliminate the need for slaughter (too many horses, not enough owners, and too many irresponsible owners) the problem will not go away.
        03-03-2013, 04:56 PM
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    All the shelters around here are pulling hard to have every single shelter for dogs and cats be "no kill". It's asinine in my opinion. What on earth are we going to do with all these dogs and cats if euthanasia is not an option? We're already full to bursting, so great, now cats and dogs will be starved and beaten to death because every single shelter in the city is at max capacity.

    Activists alway seem to have the solution but none of them know what the question is. Until we can come up with viable methods to avoid things like slaughtering horses and euthanizing unwanted cats and dogs, signing petitions is just a joke.
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        03-03-2013, 05:00 PM
    Despite what Americans think, our slaughter plants are run by strict government regulations. When the US lobbyists won the No Slaughter, people became quick to condemn the Mexican and Canadian plants but no one thought of how far these poor animals were being trucked and delays at the border crossings. Horse are still being hauled in two-tiered cattle liners. Has anyone spoken up about that?
        03-03-2013, 05:12 PM
    Priorities. We spend tens of thousands of dollars per prisoner (47K plus in CA) in the penal system to "make more debt", not to have them "repay thier debt". Horses owe society nothing. The least we could do is ensure unwanted horses are not brought into the world and those that can not longer function are euthanizes.

    But, under the current conditions of a world run amuck - the best we can do is ensure slaughter is done entirely humanely 100% of the time via heavy monitoring.
        03-03-2013, 05:14 PM
    I am Pro Slaughter for the reasons warebear brought up.

    Doesn't mean I hate horses or love them any less than someone anti-slaughter.
        03-03-2013, 05:20 PM
    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    Despite what Americans think, our slaughter plants are run by strict government regulations. When the US lobbyists won the No Slaughter, people became quick to condemn the Mexican and Canadian plants but no one thought of how far these poor animals were being trucked and delays at the border crossings. Horse are still being hauled in two-tiered cattle liners. Has anyone spoken up about that?
    Actually, quite a few groups did "at the time", and all were demonized as "pro slaughter" and didn't get the donations the anti's did to fund massive campaigns - which in turn generated more funding for the "anti's". Say what you will about PETA, but on this one they were right IMO (they, by and large, did not want US horse slaughter abolished and supported re-establishing it).
        03-03-2013, 06:30 PM
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    Surely those that are anti slaughter have heard about the horrific conditions of travel that horses no one wants have had to suffer travelling to bot Mexico and Canada? (I believe that transporting horses to Canada has been stopped for a while.)

    What should be looked into are rules and regulations for humane slaughter and travel - not just for horses but for all stock.

    In the UK rules are a lot stricter and generally adhered to for all animals.

    A horse has to be out of sight of other horses when it is killed and a bullet is used rather than a captive bolt and stunning is not allowed.

    A vet has to be present when any animal is slaughtered that is entering the food chain.

    I would, if I was in the USA campaign to get double decker transport for large animals banned. The distance travelled would be limited so that animals had a break and were fed and watered.

    WHat happens to any animal after it is dead, doesn't matter to me. What matters is how it lives and dies.

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