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        06-16-2010, 10:56 AM
      #1
    Green Broke
    Dissapointed and needing some opinions

    ...bordering on heartbroken.

    Since I sold my last horse in Jan. I have been leasing horses as it was working out really well for me, and gave me one less thing to worry about while I am in school. I have been leasing my current horse since April, and just in the past month or so I have really started to make some big break throughs in both my riding and his training.

    Well a couple of days ago I was told that my lease was being put on hold so the owner's daughter could take him to fair and I would not have access to him until the beginning of august.

    I am really disappointed because I know in august that for the most part I am going to have to start over with the dressage training as the daughter is going to do mostly western events with him.

    This also means that I won't be able to get to enough shows to qualify for the year end awards I signed up for as the vast majority of the shows we had planned to go to were in July.

    I don't know if I really want to start over, and now I am having thoughts along the line "well whats the point if they can rip him out from under me again." I am thinking that maybe I would like to get my own horse again, or does everybody think that I should just stick it out and start over again? I made it clear when I started leasing him that I wanted to show him all summer in dressage, and the lease was kind of an open ended lease with October kind of being discussed as the end (as that's when the last dressage show is).


    Kudos to you if you read the whole thing, I am just really upset and not sure where I should go from here.
         
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        06-16-2010, 11:04 AM
      #2
    Showing
    QH, do you have a written contract? If so, what does it say?

    There's NO WAY I'd lease a horse that was always being taken away from me to let someone else ride.

    You're being taken advantage of, plain and simple.

    I'd tell them since they've broken the lease contract, that you'll be looking elsewhere. Then do it.
         
        06-16-2010, 11:14 AM
      #3
    Trained
    Oh boy Sarah, I am so sorry :(

    You should of had a written contract stating the guidelines and rules of the lease and how it works.

    My opinoin is, if you were paying for his board, care, feed, shoes and etc, etc - no one has the right to take him out from under you.

    Too bad you don't live closer. There are some amazing horses at Lou Don that are for lease and you'd have sole use of them. I'd be quite upset too, you're more than welcome to call me if you want.

    When I was back at the Hunt Club, when my Hubby quit riding, I had to put his horse up for a Free Lease because I couldn't afford to pay board for 2 horses. I found a great Pony Clubber who leased him for 2 years and the contract that was written up was very precise and strict.

    They paid for his board, his shoes, his vet bills, his everything - and they had complete use of him. They put insurance on him as well because that was part of my lease contract I had written up for the Pony Clubber and her Father and it worked out great for 2 years.

    If you didn't have a contract written up, there's not much you can do. But the owners of this horse should have morals, especially if you were paying for all his care up till now.

    I would demand my money back.
         
        06-16-2010, 12:31 PM
      #4
    Green Broke
    Yes there is a written and signed contract. For the most part it just covered not doing anything unreasonable with him (like extreme cross country course or something like that). I am/was paying what I would call a "reasonably large amount" towards his board/care every month (and always get the check out promptly).

    There was a verbal discussion about the owner's daughter using Majic for dressage which I was totally okay with because at least it was in the same discipline as my main focus. The owner's daughter has another horse that is her favorite and is better suited to her chosen disciplines of speed/western, so she only rode Majic maybe once a month. However I guess the other horse is not going to be ready for fair which is why they are pulling Majic. There was no warning that they were going to do this (called me the day before they pulled the lease), and there was nothing about this put in the contract.
         
        06-16-2010, 01:17 PM
      #5
    Showing
    Then they're in breach of contract, and you can walk away at this point with no guilt.

    Just make sure you put in writing WHY you're no longer leasing their horse, so they don't have a legal leg to stand on should they try anything.

    They're in breach of contract, not you. A full lease means you have the riding rights to that animal over anyone else.
         
        06-16-2010, 06:45 PM
      #6
    Green Broke
    This is something that needs to be clarified with his owner ASAP. Either drop the lease OR establish some parameters to make it a little more fair for you, b/c at this point, it's not fair that you are paying as much as you do and can still have the daughter take him out from under you. When I lease a horse/pony out I put in the contract that me OR the leaser must give 30 days notice before terminating the lease. All people involved in leasing deserve a heads up if the lease isn't going to continue for whatever reason.

    Have you considered talking with the owners about a half lease? I've half leased my ponies out before. Basically they pay half of all of their upkeep (plus a lease fee), they get him for 3 days, I get him for 3 days, and 1 day a week is the pony's day off. The days that everyone has are specified in the contract. That way you are still guaranteed to be able to ride on your days.

    I'm really sorry this is happening to you! I'd be frustrated and heartbroken as well. I'm really hoping that somehow you can work it all out! Good luck and keep us updated!!
         
        06-16-2010, 08:00 PM
      #7
    Weanling
    Oh, I'd be irked! I would personally feel like finding a different horse to lease, as others have said, with explicitly spelled out terms in a contract. Good luck!!!!
         
        06-17-2010, 10:32 AM
      #8
    Trained
    I would be infuriated! I would of let the owner know how wrong she is in this situation and I wouldn't of held back my words.

    You might beable to take her to small claims court to get your money back, but that's your choice. Not something I am going to encourage or discourage you to do.

    But as already stated, walk away and don't go back to those people again. The next time you do a lease, make sure it states that at no time can the owner take the horse away unless the horse is in conditions where the horses needs are not being met *not saying that you would not take care of the horse the best that you can*

    I am terribly sorry, I know how dissapointed you are, it has happened to me countless times *but I never had contracts*. Don't give up, just take this experience and learn from it.
         
        06-17-2010, 11:16 AM
      #9
    Banned
    Agree with all the previous posters.

    However, if you're a person who is motivated to compete and think about long range goals or year end awards; leasing a horse, even with a contract in place, is going to have some frustrations.

    I think you either need to lease the horse for a set and guaranteed period of time (through the end of show season!) or look at buying something of your own.

    If it makes you feel any better, I knew a kid would had paid big bucks to lease a pony to qualify for the Pony Eq Medal finals; and then had the pony jerked out from under her before the finals so another kid could qualify on him and then ride him in the Final.
    I am also very happy to report that kid then rode her own, local quality pony in the Final and beat the kid on the fancy leased pony.
         
        06-17-2010, 11:21 AM
      #10
    Showing
    Maura, LOVE that story about the kid and her pony! Karma's a beeyotch, ain't she?
         

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