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    08-23-2013, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sahara    
I think you just made my point. Thanks.

Prevention of colic: daily free movement.
I have to point out that free daily movement as such does not feature in any management for the avoidance of colic
The main causes are
Sudden changes in diet that cause stomach and digestive upsets
Insufficient drinking water
Horses that bolt their food or for some other reason don't chew it properly
Sand or dirt in the intestines

Although having access to a grazing situation does make it easier to allow a horse to be constantly browsing this can be replicated by the use of slow feeders and where you have horses with metabolic issues that becomes a necessity where grazing has to be restricted
Exercise can and is provided by the use of horse walkers, riding and lunging
No one here is advocating having a horse shut in a stable 24/7
Horses can be neglected in any situation - including when kept out at pasture 24/7 - which is how most cases of laminitis occur
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    08-23-2013, 10:49 AM
Originally Posted by Sahara    
I think you just made my point. Thanks.

Prevention of colic: daily free movement.
I meant prevention of cribbing, not colic.
    08-23-2013, 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by Sahara    
I think you just made my point. Thanks.

Prevention of colic [edit - cribbing] : daily free movement.
No, I did not make your point. The OP never asked if a horse left in a 10x12 stall all day would have problems. If that was the question, I would not have posted.

The question was if pasture is needed. Pasture. Horses move around just fine in a corral. Given the health I've seen in horses in 20x20 pens, combined with regular riding, I have to conclude that "daily free movement" is possible even in settings I wouldn't like for a horse. In a 60' corral or bigger, with multiple horses, they DO move around a lot. Without pasture.

"He doesn't have pasture land but he does have good sized paddocks for each horse and he feeds his horses well and they look well nourished and fine. This horse has never been pastured in the 5 years that they've had it and the horse is 8. So is not pastuing bad?"

PASTURE is not needed. They do not need a field to go graze in all day.

I explained my perspective in my first post on this thread:

"My 3 live in a corral that is about 80 x 110, although irregularly shaped. I'm pretty sure Mia has never lived anywhere BUT a corral. Many horses in southern Arizona live in less space.

More space would be nice. However, I don't expect to ever have pasture land for them...

If you wish to hear folks opinions on keeping a horse in a stall 24/7, then you are free to ask the question. And since I have no experience with doing so, I won't comment on your thread. I do have experience keeping horses without a pasture for them to graze in daily. That is what I wrote about.
    08-23-2013, 11:06 AM
Originally Posted by bsms    
But I can go thru a stable that has 20x20 stalls and less, and see healthy looking horses complete with muscles and decent feet, waiting to be

Originally Posted by bsms    
. I never said anything about stalled animals. I don't know anyone with a stall. I don't know why you brought stalls into the thread.
You brought up stalled horses, not me.
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    08-23-2013, 11:12 AM
And my point is if you do not have adequate space to keep a horse maybe you should get a hamster. In my personal experience, keeping a horse in an 80 ft corral is borderline 'negligent and ignorant'. Lets agree to disagree.
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    08-23-2013, 11:21 AM

I specified the experience I've had, including a picture of where my horses live. I don't know how to be clearer than a picture (from post #8):

In southern Arizona, a "stall" sometimes refers to a small 'corral' - corral referring to an area with some fencing around it to prevent the horse from wandering away. A typical 'stall' in this area would be a fenced in area around 15 x 40 (to use a neighbor as an example), with a 10x12 shade, water and feed provided by humans. The county requires a minimum of 400 sq ft per horse. My neighbor has 3 'stalls' side by side, with a paddock (60x80) to turn the horses out in.

There may be someone in southern Arizona who has enclosed stalls, although in this county 20x20 would be the legal minimum for them. I don't know of anyone like that.
    08-23-2013, 11:30 AM
Originally Posted by Sahara    
And my point is if you do not have adequate space to keep a horse maybe you should get a hamster. In my personal experience, keeping a horse in an 80 ft corral is borderline 'negligent and ignorant'. Lets agree to disagree.
You call me "borderline 'negligent and ignorant'" - and then say let's just agree to disagree? What other names do you want to call me and then tell me to ignore? You tell me to get rid of my horses and keep hamsters instead - and then suggest I drop it?

How many of the horses in southern Arizona do you think should be shot to put them out of their misery?

Do the horses in the picture I posted LOOK abused? Is this the face of a suffering horse? Apart from having her stirrup leathers not matching the saddle, that is...

If you have EVIDENCE that the majority of horses in the desert are suffering from owners who are "borderline 'negligent and ignorant'", please post it. Until then, don't piss in my Wheaties and tell me to ignore the smell.
    08-23-2013, 11:38 AM
^I dunno, that horse looks in pretty bad shape to me... /silly sarcasm.
Off Topic--She's so cute, bsms!
    08-23-2013, 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by Sahara    
I meant prevention of cribbing, not colic.
That's not true actually. The worst cribbers I've seen were on pastures (from 7 to 20 acres), and were NOT stalled even a portion of the day.
    08-23-2013, 02:02 PM
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Ok people. Lets try to be civil. No need for calling names or being rude.

The OP wanted to know if pasture is needed if the horse has turn out already. No where was it mentioned that the horse was locked in a stall 24/7. The answer is no. Is it the best cituation? No, but it is not bad either.

Like I said in a previous post, I do know of some horses, mostly stallions, that never get turned out. I don't like it but the horses do survive. Many vices do start when horses are stalled for a majority of the time. They also exist in horses that are turned out all of the time. I knew of some cribbers that had never been in a stall.

We have a friend that recently bought a horse. The horse was underweight so she put it out on pasture 24/7. The horse lost more weight. She had the vet check the horse out and deepened again but no issues were found, even the teeth were fine. I have to assume the pasture is lacking enough nutrion for the horse, so pasture is not ALWAYS better. For the most part it is.

Sahara, having a horse in a coral or paddock or pen of 80' is not negligent or ignorant. I know several show and recreational horses that live like that. The owners don't want nicks and bites from other horses on their horse but the horses do fine.

We don't have pasture. We don't have excessive room for the horses we have. We have been ask by several people if we would keep their horses with ours. Even ones that are out on pasture 24/7. Wait, what? They want to move their horses from pasture to a place with no pasture? That is negligence and ignorance, right? No, they see that our horses are healthy and well cared for.

I have to agree with Zexious, bsms. Look at that mane. It seriously needs to be brushed. It's all over the place! (Insert sarcastic expression)
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