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    10-16-2011, 05:35 PM
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Foal
Dressage Riders: where do you stand on the Blood rule?

Where do you guys stand on the new blood rule?

New Rule= if blood appears and it stops you are able to compete and if it has not stopped bleeding and a vet is present he can look and determine if it's okay to compete. If no vet present and it has not stopped bleeding it equals elimination.

Old rule = if blood present automatic elimination.

I believe that ANY blood should be an automatic elimination! What if the blood is from rider brutality (spurs,rough hands,etc. ) and a little later the blood stops...

Also if a vet is present is it fair to delay the other riders who are warming up and make them stop and start again? It will throw the who show schedule off

If they made the bloodied rider go last after all the other riders. Then that would be better. But still would delay their ride and they would have to start their warmup all over again.. seems silly to me.
     
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    10-16-2011, 08:02 PM
  #2
Trained
I've already put up the link to the Eurodressage report with a 2 page ongoing discussion on this in the dressage subforum
     
    10-16-2011, 09:03 PM
  #3
Started
I think any blood should be an automatic disqualification. If your horse is bleeding, that's a pretty good indication that you're doing something wrong. Especially if it's in the mouth. There's never an excuse for that.
     
    10-16-2011, 09:05 PM
  #4
Banned
What exactly is this rule? What if my horse has a healing scab on his cannon?
     
    10-16-2011, 09:16 PM
  #5
Green Broke
And if a horse bites its own tongue?
Or knicks itself with a hoof?
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    10-16-2011, 09:19 PM
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Trained
A healing scab is fine, but if there is flowing blood, the current rules state that you will be automatically eliminated.
NOW, the FEI wants to create a 'grey area' where stewards may investigate (put in simple terms) where the blood is coming from and how it was caused.
If blood is sighted in the warmup, this is when the warning will occur, the horse may continue warming up but if the blood has not stemmed by the time they are about to go into their test, they can be eliminated.
In some aspects, this could be a good thing - poor Adelinde's horse Parzival bit his tongue at WEG last year and was eliminated. It was not caused through cruelty or bad riding. The changed rule could have allowed her to compete without elimination.
HOWEVER, I feel that if they open a small loop hole in the current rule of eliminating for any blood, then his loop hole will be torn bigger and bigger to allow riders to 'slip through the cracks'. Many stewards feel intimidated by the big name riders and as a result, these riders may get away with blood that would have otherwise had them eliminated. It will be extremely hard to govern this small loop hole in the rule. Therefore, it is my opinion that an overall blood ban, as is current ruling, should remain as is. If there is no loop hole, there is no room for digression and bullying of those trying to enforce the ruling and make decsions on the spot at big time competitions and no one can slip through the cracks.
     
    10-16-2011, 09:25 PM
  #7
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
A healing scab is fine, but if there is flowing blood, the current rules state that you will be automatically eliminated.
NOW, the FEI wants to create a 'grey area' where stewards may investigate (put in simple terms) where the blood is coming from and how it was caused.
If blood is sighted in the warmup, this is when the warning will occur, the horse may continue warming up but if the blood has not stemmed by the time they are about to go into their test, they can be eliminated.
In some aspects, this could be a good thing - poor Adelinde's horse Parzival bit his tongue at WEG last year and was eliminated. It was not caused through cruelty or bad riding. The changed rule could have allowed her to compete without elimination.
HOWEVER, I feel that if they open a small loop hole in the current rule of eliminating for any blood, then his loop hole will be torn bigger and bigger to allow riders to 'slip through the cracks'. Many stewards feel intimidated by the big name riders and as a result, these riders may get away with blood that would have otherwise had them eliminated. It will be extremely hard to govern this small loop hole in the rule. Therefore, it is my opinion that an overall blood ban, as is current ruling, should remain as is. If there is no loop hole, there is no room for digression and bullying of those trying to enforce the ruling and make decsions on the spot at big time competitions and no one can slip through the cracks.
exactly my feeling on the subject. The rule should remain blood =elimination
     
    10-16-2011, 09:26 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Good point on the loop hole, Kayty.
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    10-17-2011, 10:49 AM
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Not to sound stupid or obnoxious but what blood are they talking about and why would the horse bleed? Just want to understand so I can join the conversation.
     
    10-17-2011, 11:12 AM
  #10
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessabel    
I think any blood should be an automatic disqualification. If your horse is bleeding, that's a pretty good indication that you're doing something wrong. Especially if it's in the mouth. There's never an excuse for that.
Unless.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayty    
Parzival bit his tongue at WEG last year and was eliminated. It was not caused through cruelty or bad riding. The changed rule could have allowed her to compete without elimination.
It is not cut and dried, blood should be investigated, but it is not ALWAYS abuse.

Without going off and reading up, how big of an issue is this? Are top level dressage horses routinely dripping blood at shows, or is it a couple of incidents in a year?
     

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