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        12-30-2011, 02:09 PM
      #11
    Trained
    THIS is why so many of us are discussing "Natural Horsemanship." NO, it isn't a panacea, and no, not every natural horseman is humane. But we all know that there are better ways to train than we see in the video and have witnessed first-hand.
    I can tell you that there are some training methods that will really help your relationship with your horse.
    FIRST, you can train you horse to move off by using your weight EVERY TIME. You can test this by shifting your weight forward and giving with the reins. If you horse has learned this, he will walk on without the need for other aids.
    SECOND, you can train your horse to half halt and halt with your weight.
    THIRD, you can train your horse to move away from your whip (on the ground) without touching him with it. When he has learned that, it doesn't take more than flipping the crop up while mounted for your horse to react to it. (My lesson horses did THIS all of the time.)
    FOURTH, desPITE breed, discover your horse's aptitude to the sport you want to play. If he loves to jump, he'll do you proud on the course. If he doesn't you'll ALWAYS be fighting him with obstacles.
    FIFTH, start everything you can on the ground with your horse. When I wanted to teach my 5yo gelding to open gates, I would leave him to cool down in my training area, undo the gate's chain (unbeknownst to him) and I let HIM figure out how to push it open. NOW, he's happy to push any gate open for me, and I'm looking forward to opening/closing gates with him in the furture WHILE I STAY MOUNTED. If I want my horse to jump, I'll set up a cross-bar between pastures and put his BFF's in the next pasture. He will figure that one out, too.
    WE have the BRAINS, and THEY have the BRAWN!! So let's use our HEADS!!!!!
         
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        12-30-2011, 02:18 PM
      #12
    Started
    What really gets me is that the judges could step in and put a stop to it easily, but they do nothing. We can't call anyone out and risk offending them in front of an entire audience! God forbid! Because they haven't already made big enough a$$es of themselves by beating welts into their horses in front of God and everybody.

    The judges and stewards are supposed to adhere to the highest ethical standards. What kind of example are they setting?

    On a side note, the anti-bit radicals are almost as infuriating. Like Nucking Futs Nevzorov and his cult of lunatics. His latest binge is that riding horses is cruel. Oh, and he's trying to teach horses Latin.

    *headdesk*
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        12-30-2011, 02:21 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    I don't think the video was made to say all riding and all bits do this....I think it's to say that hey if you ride like this, horse horse is effected like this...
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        12-30-2011, 02:24 PM
      #14
    Foal
    I hate how they make it seem like the BIT is the serious problem here. In the case of the clips in the video, it's because of the crappy riders. I've seen some crappy riders, but I've never seen anybody ride like THAT.
    I dislike all of the "anti-bit" stuff, those awful riders would be doing just as much damage/causing the horse pain with any bridle, bitless or not..
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        12-30-2011, 03:42 PM
      #15
    Trained
    If I was at an event and witnessed THAT kind of "riding" I would have to be held back or they would be feeling the wrath of my 5'3 FISTS OF FURY!!!! Lol!
    But seriously there are toooo many destroyed horses out there because they have been wrongly started, treated, and handled. I've got one right now that's taken MONTHS of work to get responsive and soft after being cowboyed and man handled. I do support bitless
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        12-30-2011, 03:59 PM
      #16
    Trained
    If I was at an event and witnessed THAT kind of "riding" I would have to be held back or they would be feeling the wrath of my 5'3 FISTS OF FURY!!!! Lol!
    But seriously there are toooo many destroyed horses out there because they have been wrongly started, treated, and handled. I've got one right now that's taken MONTHS of work to get responsive and soft after being cowboyed and man handled. I do support bitless
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        12-30-2011, 11:58 PM
      #17
    Showing
    This video made me sick to my stomach.. honestly people who treat their horses this way are disgusting. And horses that are treated this way are so unfortunate.. I'm surprised they didn't throw these people off and trample them. If I were watching this event, I'd jump into the arena with my purse and show that rider a thing or two!
         
        12-31-2011, 06:30 PM
      #18
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    Originally Posted by smrobs    
    That video is complete and utter crap. Just one more person that has the fanatical viewpoint of "OMG, if you ride with a bit, then you must be yanking your poor horse's head off, you big meanie-doo-doo head!!!."

    In every single clip in that vid, the problem is not the bit at all, it's the person holding the reins. They would be hurting the horse just as bad in a bitless bridle or a halter as they are with the bit because they are sh**ty riders; nothing more, nothing less.

    Why it is so hard for people to grasp the concept that some miracle contraption that you put on the horse's head will NOT correct bad hands or poor riding. Bad hands and poor riding are uncomfortable/painful for the horse regardless of whether he is being ridden in a spade bit or a nylon halter.

    There are lots of people out there that are much harsher with their halters or "bitless bridles" than I would ever dream of being with a bit.

    So I ask the question, which option is better, regardless of headgear on the horse: A person yanking on the horse because of crappy hands and the unwillingness to learn to be soft or a person who works their ass off to learn how to be soft and giving with a well timed release?
    About your first part yes, if PETA were to see it and many more like it they would want to stop horseback riding and such. And there nuts and for some of the info they get is made up (as in they just in their minds concluded it or got info wrong). And if your beating on the horse it will not want to do what you want it to do. If some one was pulling a bit on your mouth like crazy would you want to jump?
         

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