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post #41 of 79 Old 01-20-2014, 10:35 AM
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Let me give you some insight into why most serious horse people favor domestic processing of unwanted horses..
I don't debate (and actually agree with) many of your points, with the exception of the word "most" in the above phrase. That hasn't been my experience around here.

And as for being surprised at the opinions on this thread, it's just that - my viewpoint on the direction this thread went versus how many might have expected. I'm guessing the OP is aghast right now. ;)

Take note that the OP is from my locale as well, hence why the views may be different in this neck of the woods in general - Southern Ontario is like Kentucky North from a horse perspective, and I think if you went to the heart of Kentucky horse country you'd find similar sentiment on the anti horsemeat campaign.
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post #42 of 79 Old 01-20-2014, 11:24 AM
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I didn't think our standards were as tough as the EU's, they usually aren't. I still wouldn't eat our the horse meat though, because I do care about humane slaughter.
I assume that means you are a vegetarian

I can appreciate that many people don't want to eat horse meat because they see them in the same way that they see their dogs, cats etc but not everyone has the view - to many people a horse is just another large animal and no different to a cow
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I will eat labeled, USDA stamped beef, pork, or chicken. I will not eat "mystery meat". Not only do I worry about the "yuck" factor, but also about disease such as trichinosis from dogs and rats, not to mention bubonic plague from cats and rats. I will rapidly go on a vegetarian diet if I can't identify my food source.
I'm sorry, but I can't resist

You might want to seriously consider not leaving the U.S.A or at least staying in North America (and avoid ordering "meat" off of a menu and inspect the "side of beef" before they start to cut it up for you to buy at the store since you're unlikely to (rarely) see the USDA stamp on anything after it's been cut up for sale).
I suppose you might be able to manage the vegetarian diet in some countries you could visit, but that's not always easy (in some places you won't enjoy your "new diet" much when eating out. Being rather limited in what's available for you to eat unless you rent a house so you can buy and prepare all your food) .
In most of the world (including the US) when you go to a place to eat you don't get to inspect the meat (see comment above for checking the USDA stamp and you'd be hard pressed to tell what cut piece of meat came from anyway). You order a dish off the menu (or in some places you point to what you want like the pot of stew or the whatever else might have been prepared that day for customers to select from). In any eating establishment anywhere in the world you are going on "faith" that you're getting what you ordered (basically "mystery meat" in most cases since you can't usually positively know what it came from). Unless of course it's one of the places (and you order something small) where they bring the entire fish, rabbit, etc..... (head and all). Then you have excellent odds of knowing almost exactly what you got (providing of course that you're familiar with what it would look like in it's skinless and cooked state..... e.g. Squirrels have an uncanny resemblance to rats once the skin and tales are removed, but then their almost 1st cousins) .

Oh, and trichinosis is a greater concern with pork than with canine .....unless you only eat US factory raised pork in which case they've almost eliminated it, but with grazing, free range "healthier" pork you still run a risk of it unless you cook it properly. But then cooking something properly is how we make poultry and eggs safe to eat too. The need to prepare/cook food properly to avoid a health risk is not just restricted to one or two species of animal.
And be careful with the vegetarian diets. Make sure you take your supplements (e.g. Remember we all must have B-12....not to mention the human body has difficult time processing omega 3 from vegetable sources and can't get as much as we really need except from animal sources which we can process very efficiently) and look out for contamination (people die for that too).

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Take note that the OP is from my locale as well, hence why the views may be different in this neck of the woods in general - Southern Ontario is like Kentucky North from a horse perspective, and I think if you went to the heart of Kentucky horse country you'd find similar sentiment on the anti horsemeat campaign.

The Uk is almost a nation of horse lovers, but loving horses is nothing to do with what happens to their bodies once they are dead. It is how they are treated up to the moment they die which is important.
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I will eat labeled, USDA stamped beef, pork, or chicken. I will not eat "mystery meat". Not only do I worry about the "yuck" factor, but also about disease such as trichinosis from dogs and rats, not to mention bubonic plague from cats and rats. I will rapidly go on a vegetarian diet if I can't identify my food source.

As far as the "yuck" factor, I like my horse a lot more than I like my dog. I have much more of an attachment, and therefore anthropomorphic about her. If I were Hindu, she would be my sacred cow.
I guess you will be stuck with traveling only in the USA. Heck, you don't really know what is in that stew at any restaurant. It could be anything and not necessarily USDA stamped.

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Its lbs, I just read your post. Great minds think alike.....and post alike, it seems!!

As fr trichinosis, better never eat pork products, Or simply cook well whatever you prepare.

BTW, Bubonic plague doesn't come from eating any meat. It comes from being bitten by a parasitic vector like a flea.

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I don't debate (and actually agree with) many of your points, with the exception of the word "most" in the above phrase. That hasn't been my experience around here.

And as for being surprised at the opinions on this thread, it's just that - my viewpoint on the direction this thread went versus how many might have expected. I'm guessing the OP is aghast right now. ;)

Take note that the OP is from my locale as well, hence why the views may be different in this neck of the woods in general - Southern Ontario is like Kentucky North from a horse perspective, and I think if you went to the heart of Kentucky horse country you'd find similar sentiment on the anti horsemeat campaign.
Relatively speaking Kentucky isn't really "horse" country for the US (which has the largest horse population in the world). TX and CA have more, but that's to be expected given their size. Even FL has significantly more horses than KY. I'm sure KY remains in the top 10, but can easily be trading places with OH and some other states that also have between 250,000 - 350,000 thousand. Keep in mind that the US has well over 9 million horse (the most in the world by well ove a million).

And has already brought out earlier, if someone really cares about the well being of horses they would want at least one slaughterhouse per state (more in the larger states). The horses are going to die anyway. No need to make them suffer more in the process of reaching that point. Human doesn't mean keeping them alive. It means preventing the suffering.

I can't say about everyone on who posts on this site, but there are certainly enough who have been dealing with horses long enough to understand that they are livestock. Just because you make a piece of livestock a pet doesn't alter that fact. My pet cow (I fed from a nipple bucket) lived a long (for a cow), productive life and when her time came I had to say good-bye and she became ground beef (well, a lot of her did). One of my cousins had a pet porker (Bosco) who was the best "watch dog" they'd ever had and he provided some really nice hams (and a LOT of good sausage).

Pets come and pets go. I think turning them into worms or buzzards is the most demeaning thing we allow to happen to them. It's nature's way, but so is turning them any other creature. Seeing what the process is like for them to become worms or buzzards made it a lot easier for me to say it's better to have them processed and eaten by something else.

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You actually can get plague just from handling infected rats. Or humans. It is not always transmitted by a bite wound or by a rat flea.

According to the CDC, "Humans usually get plague after being bitten by a rodent flea that is carrying the plague bacterium or by handling an animal infected with plague."

Yes humans can eat horses, rats, dogs, cats, lizards, snakes, bugs, and a lot of other things. I will have to be a lot hungrier than I am to try any of the above.

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I have a "minimum waste" view, not just for animals but for me too as I am an organ donor and will hopefully be "parted out" after my death.

All creatures deserve as natural, healthy and abundant life as is possible, and a quick death with as little pain as possible. They also deserve to make their contribution.
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It wasn't uncommon for spot checks on Chinese takeouts in the UK to reveal they were selling meat from cats and rats - not nice but I don't think anyone was actually ill from eating them
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I'd be quite disgusted if I saw something like that at a grocers' in my country. Then again, horses are historically and culturally honored around here, so it's not considered appropriate to eat a horse, who is traditionally viewed as a friend, a partner and a part of the family. Then again, I'm not okay with animals being slaughtered for consumption as such, but I'm not a battling vegetarian - I just make my own choices. Also, there are influences from other cultures, because of which one can find horse meat sausages, canned horse meat and such in the shop shelves. Most are appalled to see that, though.

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