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post #1 of 18 Old 09-13-2009, 08:11 PM Thread Starter
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Ever had a professional ride your horse? Vent and LONG!

Various excerpts of Carolina's past have had her at somewhere between a Level 2 and Level 4 horse. Level 2 would be more believable because she's only 8 years old. She would have been 6 when she was supposedly competing. I can't imagine there are many Level 4 6 year olds.

She hasn't been ridden in two years. I've ridden her a handful of times and she responds really well to leg pressure. It's almost amazing how attentive and responsive she is. But she is all over the place. She's absolutely beautiful to watch, has lovely forward movement, but there's no collection. But the further into the lesson she gets the more fluid she feels.

I had a different trainer today and she's doubtful that Carolina competed at all.

Is it possible that she was at least trained to level 2 and then the two years she was left to be a horse - she just buried it in some horse-brain compartment? That maybe somehow I can unlock with some fitness and refreshing?

I guess I'm a bit bummed because the trainer I had today wasn't very enthusiastic. She suggested I get Carolina fit and sell her to someone that is looking for a trail horse or change disciplines and teach her Western.

This is of course, after the discovery that she (the barn owner) is predominately Western, teaches Western, competes Western, and is vocal about her dislike of English riders in the area.

I'm considering finding a new barn, a new trainer, and at the very least someone that is a much better rider than me (which to be honest isn't that hard most 4 year olds ride better) to see where Carolina is at and give me some decent, unbiased advice. Apparently there's a dressage barn not much further away than the current barn.

Where's that banging head against the brick wall smiley when you need it?

~CoCo 17hh 4 yo OTTB~
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post #2 of 18 Old 09-13-2009, 08:26 PM Thread Starter
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Just wanted to add: I'm not ready or willing to give up or sell Carolina. Regardless of whether she's what the broker told me when I bought her.

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post #3 of 18 Old 09-13-2009, 08:36 PM
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I would go check out the other barn or at least look for another trainer.
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Yeh I'm beginning to think that's a good idea. There are two trainers at this barn. The other one is nice but seems to lean the same way as this trainer. Which is fine. But I have several gripes. They leave halters on all the horses at all times. Stabled or in the pasture. There is no grass at all and yet I see grass at all the other barns I drive past. I have never, ever seen Carolina's water bucket clean. It looks like frothy muck, regardless of the time of day I've been there. They're supposed to give her 14lbs of grain a day split between two meals a day. I've been there at her mealtime and not seen an ounce of grain.

*sigh* that's just petty whining. I'm just super frustrated. I was so excited about this and now I'm just blah.

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post #5 of 18 Old 09-13-2009, 08:51 PM
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Yes, all the time. It's great way to get your horse some schooling, but it's also a great chance to see your horse being ridden at his best.

Ben is ridden ever show (usually in babygreens plus 1 schooling) and every few weeks at home. I'm a good rider, but we both benefit from having a great rider get on and work through some of the problems I can't.

Make sure the trainer actually knows their stuff, however. I have seen many "trainers" at shows that make me wince
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post #6 of 18 Old 09-13-2009, 11:04 PM
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Blech that place sounds disgusting. Personally, if I wouldn't drink out of it, I wont ask my horse to drink out of it. If my horse had a stall and a waterbucket it would be cleaned daily because I'm semi-OCD about things like that.

I would definitely look into a place that would help you progress instead of holding you back. The dressage barn might be the place, if not keep looking until you find it!

Everyday they don't feed your horse, ask for that amount of the board back. If your paying for them to feed, they better da**ed well be feeding.
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post #7 of 18 Old 09-13-2009, 11:30 PM
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There you go. LOL. I would look for a different barn. After all, if she is a western rider and trainer, how could she possibly know if Carolina was trained or shown at that level or not? I wouldn't recognize the difference between a level 2 and a GP dressage horse but that may just be me. All in all, that barn doesn't sound like a very pleasant place for you or her. A switch may be just what you both need. Plus, she is out of shape, flabby, and out of practice; she can't possibly be expected to get her form back the way it was in just a few weeks.
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post #8 of 18 Old 09-14-2009, 06:57 AM
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Not to mention that if your horse is only eight years old then she can learn to do what you want. Unfortunately many previous owners lie, so it is possible that your horse hasn't done any of the stuff she had been claimed to. Even so, a good trainer who is aware that you want to keep your horse would (I imagine) be willing to help you both do what you want to do.

If you are not happy where you are keeping your horse then move, you are a customer and when you are not happy with your product buy elsewhere.

Good luck.
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post #9 of 18 Old 09-14-2009, 08:02 AM Thread Starter
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I've pretty much decided that the agent lied to me. She's awful difficult to get any kind of info from and is vague when I ask her questions about Carolina's past. The only part I know is true is that she's been neglected for two years. Being sold as a level 2 hunter/jumper with schooling in dressage for $17,500 in 2007 I'm really starting to wonder about. Who would spend that much money on a horse and then all of a sudden nothing is traceable about her at all?

And yeh - this barn is beginning to feel like the only good thing is it's literally less than 5 minutes away. I'm researching more barns right now.

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Some old lady advice coming at ya.......

Of the 2 issues you have presented for discussion. One is your dissatisfaction of your current boarding facility. Address your concerns with the BO/BM and if they are willing to satisfy you ok. If not, you have been given some sound advice and suggestions to look for another place. However before you do that, take a step back, have a heart-to-heart with yourself and really be honest about your second issue...the current situation with your horse.
What do you want to do with your horse? Do you want to give her to someone else to train? Work with a trainer and do the work yourself? What type of riding do you love to do? Is it ring work, jumping, trekking, trail riding, endurance? What is your dream for you and your horse? What can you afford? When you have that figured out and can perhaps envision some short and long term goals start looking for a reputable trainer who is willing to evaluate your horse, listen to your needs and desires and then work with you so that you can achieve your dreams. Have them give you a plan and really search inside of yourself to make sure you can follow it too.

We sometimes forget that trainers run a business and most of them have a speciality. They do what they do best and use the techniques they have been taught or learned upon the way. I have had both positive experiences and negative experiences with trainers. A great trainer can change your life! Most of the negative experiences I have had are because I was not realistic about what I truly wanted the eventual outcome of the training to be, what my ability and technical levels really were at the time, what the horse's ability was, and I got caught up "listening to the professional" and the training often would deviate from the direction I had wanted to begin with.

Think about want you want to do and then develop a plan to get the job done. It makes me sad when I see owners of the some of the horses at my barn not enjoying them to their potential due to the fact that they and their horse are not a good match. Some even don't have any fun at all!

Good luck!
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