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post #1 of 12 Old 11-27-2010, 08:07 PM Thread Starter
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Wink feeling his oats/join up

So I let my horse Lightening out in our round pen and he went balistic!!!! I think
1. He wanted to b with his buddies
2. He was happy to be out
So he went around squealing and throwing all his feet in the air, doing a cattle horse stop, and I'm just sitting there laughing, "You would think I'd never do anything with you haha!"

So then I did Join Up by Monty Roberts (he is awesome!) so heres how it works (this is what I do with/read for my horses, I don't know what you do) So there are three steps, to join up. LEt your horse go and take an aggressive stance shooing your horse away (he will come back don't worry) And you all know horses are herd animals, they never travel alone! So the first step (it happens within the blink of an eye for me...) is their inside ear flicked in toward you no matter which way. Second, they will lick, or make a chewing motion. My horses lick their lips, finally (takes awhile with some of my horses others is very quick) they lower their head extremelly low to the ground. That's when you...well I drop my whip and throw one of my arms up and say WHOA. It takes their eyes off my aggression stance, and when they see I"m not chasing them anymore they come to you. To complete the join up...walk away the horse should be at your shoulder when you stop, he stops, when you turn, he turns (if your horse isn't right by your shoulder at all times, he isn't fully ready to join you so you go thru the whole process again til he's ready) It is an awesome experience and I admitt he didn't have my attention for awhile since he was in such a hurry to get back to his buddies but he gave up and started listening to me haha
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post #2 of 12 Old 11-28-2010, 12:23 PM
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I also love Monty Roberts' method. I think you did a good job explaining, Gus, but a couple things you forgot to mention...when you send your horse out to the rail of the round pen, look him straight in the eye and have a cotton lead rope (if your horse is sensitive or whip-shy like my TB) or a lounge whip if he is more lazy, to pitch towards his butt if he tries to slow down from a brisk trot or canter. Keep staring him directly in the eye all through his signs of submission...inside ear cocking at you as a sign of respect, mouth chewing and tongue working which is him saying "I'm a herbivore so am no threat to you" and then finally the running with the nose right along the ground. Why do you tell them to whoa, Gus? In Monty Roberts' method, he tilts his shoulders and finally looks away from their eye, tilting his body at a 45 degree angle to the horse, so he is facing about 10 feet in front of them as opposed to his shoulders being perpendicular to their body (directly facing them) when he is driving them away. They stop then (you don't have to tell them to), as soon as all the pressure is off, and turn to face you and finally walk up to you and sometimes (depending on the horse) will touch your shoulder with their muzzle ("join up"). You then rub them between the eyes and walk around in circles and arks...they should follow you ("follow up"). If they don't, drive them away again. Before you try this though I recommend reading Monty Roberts' book, The Man who Listens to Horses, I believe is the title. But this gains trust so quickly, just by talking to them in their own language. You establish authority and also teach them that you can be a reliable leader, and often after this horses will do for you a number of things they refused before, simply because they now trust you...like loading in a trailer, letting you touch their sensitive areas; standing quietly when their hooves are picked out. In Monty Roberts' case, he got a terrified racehorse to load in a start gate; a stubborn mare to stop pulling away when tied up; he even used the method to a greater extent and got deer to join up with him! (took weeks though!). Horses are flight animals so hate any type of confinement; they have to get used to it. Or, using this method, they just have to trust you. So many horse/rider problems could be alleviated if there was a stronger trust bond...I think every horseperson, from a pleasure trail rider to a 4-star eventer, should look into that.

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post #3 of 12 Old 11-28-2010, 01:41 PM Thread Starter
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DANG that's what I forgot thanks!!!! But I do look my horse in eye and when I ready to call him in, I tilt my shoulders and drop my eyes I was a little confused on how he did it but I did get the eyes and shoulder=the aggressive stance
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post #4 of 12 Old 11-28-2010, 08:17 PM
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Well, if it didn't mean anything to you it apparently did to him, so you probably did it right. :) Did you read Monty Roberts' book, or have a trainer come out...?

PS I like ur signature. :)

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post #5 of 12 Old 11-28-2010, 08:50 PM Thread Starter
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no I have seen a couple youtube videos but I found our about join up by reading one of my favorite book series called Heartland by Lauren Brooke andit has alot of neat stuff I want to try. It is also in one book of Winnie The Horse Gentler

Thanks! From old Reba show hahaha
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post #6 of 12 Old 11-28-2010, 08:53 PM
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Oh I know Heartland...great books! :) I still highly reccomend reading his book...He has some great stuff in there, not only about join-up but about all the thinking and discovery behind it, along with many other findings of his about how horses think! (also about special cases of how he handled especially difficult horses...it is fascinating!!)

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post #7 of 12 Old 11-28-2010, 09:00 PM Thread Starter
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Isn't it!! I love that series I will still read the entire series over and over! I even tried the tv shows but they were sooo messed up....but I'm thinkin of giving it anothertry
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Where would I find Monty Roberts book?
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post #9 of 12 Old 11-28-2010, 09:14 PM
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Um I got mine at my library...rented it out for a few months, as no one else seemed to be very interested in it lol! I'll bet you can find it on Amazon.com or somewhere though...try googling it, or going to Monty's website www.montyroberts.com

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post #10 of 12 Old 11-28-2010, 09:34 PM Thread Starter
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hmmm I will see where I can find it...what's it called again?
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