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post #11 of 17 Old 06-25-2010, 08:50 PM
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I made tons of mistakes but I also learned a lot and there was no internet back then. It was trial and error. that's how old you are eh? I knew it! Did you wear underwear made out of stone too??

Did you ride around in one of these?

Whatever you guys do...don't accept any apples from her!!


But anyways - back onto topic.....

Great post Spyder!

The world of horses is never the same on a day to day basis. I am 34 now and am still learning things the moment I open my eyes to the time I close them. I clinic as much as I can and I take alot of lessons as much as I can. I audit, I ride, I read, I watch, I ask questions - but I still have alot to learn.

I personally find it hard at times to give advice on the internet when I am not there in person to assess the situation that is going on. It is easy to say "well, this and this" when we dictate from our own situations and experiences, when in reality we aren't the one's sitting on that horse, or seeing how that person rides.

I have a hard time conveying what I want in words on a computer, but if you were to get me in person, face to face at the barn, I could talk your ears off.

Now - you have to remember, this is a forum. It is all easy peasy to give advice as you think befits the situation - but it is hard to be accuate unless you are there in person.

It is easy to say "Solve it this way..." when you aren't there to see how the horse goes, to get on the horse and feel how it works and what its' buttons are. You can't be there in person to see what the rider is doing and how they are contributing to the situation - we cant give 100% of ourselves on the internet. Take it what it is - it's a forum.

Now, my experience, and I've learnt alot from knowledgeable and experienced people here, for one is Spyder.

I remember when I first came on, I would post "how to's" on threads where people asked about Collection and how to get it and how to get the horse on the bit and blah blah blah. I was quite adamant that you rode Back To Front - but from what I learnt from Spyder, is that's not always true...because it depends on the horse.

She told me, that you can also get the same result if you get the headset first and then engage forward, but I didn't believe it - no way I thought. But I listened and I learnt and I applied.

Take my horse Nelson, I cannot drive him forward and get a headset after, because that's not how he works. I could go around for years getting him to engage and round and soften riding him back to front, and I'd never get a "headset" from him, but that's because that is how he works. So if someone ha a horse like Nelson and I gave that advice....EEEERRRR I'd be wrong.

Now, I can get on my Buddies horse, and get the desired result if I ride him back to front, but if I tried to ride him the way I do Nelson, we'd end up in a big fight and he'd be sucked back and I wouldn't beable to achieve a soft, supple, rounded, engaged horse.

So - we can give the best advice that we can through our own experiences, but we wont always be right - and that's something you have to accept, and when someone steps in and says "well...actually..." learn from it. If I didn't listen and if I got all offended and ticked off by what I learnt from Spyder, I wouldn't of been able to get to the point I am at now.

Another example, I coach at the barn I board at, I have young and green Eventers under my wing that I work with through the week, and then we all take a lesson under our main coach once a week.

I've learnt alot from this, because I've encountered 2 types of horses. It is easy for me to say on the internet "Ride your horses rhythm" "support to the base of the fence" yadda yadda yadda - but I cannot give 100% because I don't know how the horse moves. I don't know the horses issues or what the rider is doing to contribute to the scenario.

Some horses need to be supported to the base, while other will get cut in half if they are over supported. Some need deep seats, while others don't, yadda yadda yadda -

So while we can give the best advice that we can for the post that is given to us on the forum, we have to accept that we aren't always right, and so what - who is in the horse world? You ask 5 people what to do with a horse who has a hard mouth, you get 6 different answers.

What we have control of, is how we respond to others who are there to help as well - we all have great aspects to donate.

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post #12 of 17 Old 06-25-2010, 09:34 PM
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I think I go back farther that that even MIE ! LOL

Great post.
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What's important is that everyone, and I do mean everyone, realize that they don't know everythind, and that they are not the all-knowing. It's important that people allow everyone to input advice. On occasion you'll get "junk" but other times, you'll get good information.

When I have a question, I want to hear from everyone, Dressage and western pleasure are actually very close together, although it seems many dressage folks don't want to hear that for some reason, it's true. So they CAN offer good advice, yet sometimes other western pleasure or HUS people are who I need to hear the answer from. Because they understand the results I'm looking for and they don't care what the original definition of "collection" is. They only care that I am looking for a certain way of moving and they want to help me acheive my goal without telling me that I'm wrong for wanting to ride that way.

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It's not so much having my bubble burst so much as it is me forgetting things I should know the answer to....I'm not gonna say I'm not tempermental about being corrected, but I certainly won't have a breakdown about it.

I respect you all so much. You all have tons more experience than me and trust me, I know it. I certainly dont know everything. Up until about a year ago I didn't even know how to tell paint color patterns apart. Sad, considering I live on a paint ranch. =/

I appreciate the honesty of this forum. And I'm sure, by all means, that I'm overreacting. Like I said, the horses have been a stressful topic for me lately. Hopefully these things will start clearing up soon.

Thanks guys <3

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I found this thread again, and I just really wanted to say thank you farmpony and Spyder for your posts, re-reading them again, after so much time, really shed light on my life today.


I just want to say - Thank you Farmpony and Spyder, for being amazing, educated horse people whom I am honored to call my friends :)

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Originally Posted by MIEventer View Post
I found this thread again, and I just really wanted to say thank you farmpony and Spyder for your posts, re-reading them again, after so much time, really shed light on my life today.


I just want to say - Thank you Farmpony and Spyder, for being amazing, educated horse people whom I am honored to call my friends :)
ditto :)

and we ALL learn. haha i talk and post a lot, and have been doing this for years, but i always encourage discussion and opinions and varying points of view. because if the world was black and white, yes and no, there'd be no opinions (and it would be a rather boring place as well!). what i love about this forum is that we can share, discuss, talk, etc. and then learn from each other. when i'm wrong (oh ugh yes and i am wrong quite a lot) i've learned to eat some of my own foot, read why i'm wrong, learn from it, and honestly thank those who took the time to correct me. because if no one stopped and said hey spaz! you're wrong! i'd keep being wrong thinking i'm right...

i'd MUCH rather stand corrected, than stand a fool believing wrong for right trying to convince others as much ;)

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Originally Posted by farmpony84 View Post
I've learned over the past few years though that some of these folks are merely book smart. They have the knowledge through research, however they don't have the honost experience. I've also noticed that there are some folks that will pounce on a subject that they are actually one sided and even slightly ingorant on, yet because they speak so elequently, it comes across as a very well written comment.

I am sure that comment applies quite well to me. I have a lot of book smarts. Once in awhile, it comes in handy. But experience trumps book smarts nearly always.

More and more I feel that I personally couldn't do some of the things I advise others to do, such as dealing with a fractious or aggressive horse. I don't have a lot of personal experience with such. In part because I just havn'et ridden that many different horses, in part because I have enough of a confident demeanor that the averag horse is pretty repsectfu toward me (average ! I think I would probably melt into a puddle if I had to deal with some of the worse case scenarios I read about on this forum. I count my lucky stars I don't have those.

I am still relatively new to this forum and I think there's an evolutionary process whereby you start out posting on everything and just gayly spreading your own dear opinion on everhting. Most cases, I just get ignored where I am spouting out book learning that reads as that; book learning. Haven't been trounced yet. Next phase is where you start to get more selective in posting where you think you might actually beable to say somehting of value to the OP. I am moving into this phase.

Next phase? you'll have to tell me 'cause I am not there yet.

OP, I appreciate your humility. I hope you will just stumble on out there and post away!!!
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