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post #1 of 20 Old 06-21-2011, 08:00 AM Thread Starter
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Fraudulent Ad...please help

I'm in a bit of a quandary and would like some advice...

I have this odd habit of looking up horses for sale on dreamhorse and equine in a 200 mile radius of where I live on a daily basis just to see what's out there, fair market value or to see if i know any of the horses. Well, yesterday, lo and behold, my old boy popped up as for sale. Now this is the horse that I leased the broodmare, bred her, kept her through the pregnancy, and then raised the baby, broke him and then showed. I had the horse from his first steps to a 5 year old and then I had to sell him because of health issues at the time :( Regardless, I loved the horse and placed him in a good home. Unfortunately, the girl that bought him 2 years ago had to sell him because of financial difficulties and let him go to a young man who claimed he was low on money, wanted to event and do big shows but couldn't afford an expensive horse (she was selling him for dirt cheap) and he was so excited to have him. She believed him, told me what had happened, and we both felt good about it.

Here's where the story goes bad...that young gentleman it turns out is a trainer/dealer. He had the horse maybe a month and took him to Devon, Plantation Fields, and some other top notch shows to get his name out and now has him for sale again. But that's not even the part that bothers me. The part that bothers me is that in the ad he claims that the horse is a TB/Percheron cross, which I know is a lie. He also claims the horse is unregistered, another lie, but then he would have to admit the breed is wrong. And he claims he has had the horse a long time, yet another lie. Since he also was not honest about his intentions when he bought him, and now he is lying in the ad, I'm very concerned about his horse ethics. I was shocked to see a horse that could hardly jump going over huge fences at Devon and the horse trials at Plantation so now I'm worried there is also some other unethical things happening. While what he does with the horse is out of my control at this point, I am wondering if I should report him to Dreamhorse and Equine as a fraudulent seller. He has at least 10 or more horses for sale, and if you lie about one, I'm sure it's not hard to lie about the others. What do you think? Sit back and let it happen since he's not mine anymore or report it? He also has a website for selling so I could contact him and confront him about the lie?

Sorry for the long spiel, this whole situation has me in tears

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post #2 of 20 Old 06-21-2011, 08:31 AM
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First off, I feel terrible for you. I would find that situation very upsetting.

It is a tricky one. I understand he is no longer yours, But I think i would find it difficult to let it slide.

Personally I wouldn't want to confront him directly through his site, mainly because I don't see the good it could do. He would still be able to tell buyers whatever he wants and he could get pretty nasty with you.

I would be tempted to contact the sites he is advertising on, they would probably remove his listings. He would still have his site to sell on though. Although if he wanted to re-advertise he would have to be truthful.

If you are worried that there are questionable training or handling methods going on, is there some kind of authority you could talk to about it, it might be that he would be investigated? Forgive me, I'm not in the US so I'm not exactly sure what horse related authorities you have.

Those are just my thoughts. Please let us know what you decide to do. Good luck!

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post #3 of 20 Old 06-21-2011, 09:18 AM
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Your word against his... He could say you are just causing problems because of seller's remorse. I can see lots of holes and things backfiring....
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post #4 of 20 Old 06-21-2011, 10:01 AM Thread Starter
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If I did email him I was going to simply introduce myself as the horse's breeder and previous owner and then, act like maybe he was mistaken or the papers got lost with the previous buyer and let him know that was not, in fact, his background. I wanted to start nice but it's awkward at best. I know he is listing him that way because it brings bigger bucks and the horse is a very big bodied sturdy TB so people would fall for it. Also, if he is using questionable practices, and he sells him and then the new owner doesn't get what was advertised, then he gets sold again and that merry go round wasn't ever what I wanted for him.

As far as his word against mine, I have the paperwork from all of his original breeding and copies of his official paperwork with his breed info. I know the girl I sold him to would also back me up because I think she is more upset than I am and feels responsible for this whole mess. I told her not to beat herself up over it, it's not her fault - how was she supposed to know?

Ugh!

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Are you sure this is the same horse that you sold?

I can not see why anyone would find it advantageous to sell a horse as unregistered when it is actually registered.
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post #6 of 20 Old 06-21-2011, 10:27 AM Thread Starter
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Definitely the same horse. I kept in touch with the girl who bought him from me and visited him while she had him. She confirmed that is the guy she sold him to. He is also listed under a private website. Like I said, it's not that he is for sale that bothers me, it's the lies. If he is trying to make a name for himself in the horse world he is going about it the wrong way.

I also would think it isn't advantageous to sell a horse without papers but he's just a tb and around here with all the racetracks they are a dime a dozen. So my guess is he doesn't want to admit he has papers because he has changed his name and doesn't want to pay for the name change and in the eventing world people want strong and sturdy so any kind of warmblood or draft cross brings more $$$. He paid 1500 a month ago and now had jacked his price WAY up. Disgusting.

I wish people wouldn't all themselves horse people when they are not - money, lies, ribbons, and hearing your name over a loudspeaker doesn't make them horse people because it's about them, not the horse.

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post #7 of 20 Old 06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
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Does this horse have any specific markings that make it known that this is the same horse? This dealer might own more than one horse that looks very similar.

I just can not see how one would pass a TB off as a draft cross.
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post #8 of 20 Old 06-21-2011, 10:50 AM
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Being TB, wouldn't potential buyers be able to look up his lip tattoo?

I don't have TB's but always mouth any horse I look at. Maybe he will get caught in his own stupidity by someone who looks.

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post #9 of 20 Old 06-21-2011, 10:52 AM Thread Starter
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I bred him. He doesn't have a tattoo because he was unraced.

He has a white mark on his withers from a terrible blanket incident he had as a yearling and it is in the pics. It's definitely the same horse.

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post #10 of 20 Old 06-21-2011, 11:03 AM
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It was a thought, darn :(

I don't know what I'd do in your situation, but I'd be pretty po'd myself. I think I'd have a tough time not contacting him. Unfortunately it probably wouldn't do a bit of good.

The shady side of horses always disgusts me. Sadly there is an insane amount of it, always has been, always will be as long as there is a buck to be made.

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