FREAKIN HORSE TRADERS!! Poor Chance! :( - The Horse Forum
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post #1 of 36 Old 04-20-2010, 08:44 PM Thread Starter
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Some freakin flithy horse traders bought chance. How do I know? One of the people interested in him when he was for sale and whom I emailed back saying he sold, forwarded me his craigslist ad. They bought him under false pretneces, lieing about everything they were going to do with him. Just so y'all know, I sold hom for -gasp- $300. Why? Because I wanted him gone quick to a good home, and because he had vices that I didn't enjoy.
They reposed him 4 DAYS LATER on the same website (craigslist) they found him off of. This is what the ad said:

Date: 2010-04-19, 11:55PM
Chance, registered as "Tiny Chex Bar", is a 10 year old, 15.2 hand, APHA gelding. This sweet boy is unbelievably patient, kind, willing, and personable. Chance has beautiful transitions, including walk to lope, and nice stops. He rides in just about any bridle, from two handed in a snaffle, to one handed in a curb, he's a happy boy with a good handle on him. This guy stands quietly and waits while being tied, saddled, mounted, or ridden. He is great for the farrier and currently wearing 4 shoes. Chance is an easy keeper, healthy, sound, and ready to be someone's Drill Team mount, Trail/Parade horse, or all around Pleasure horse for many years to come. He is well trained, so would appreciate an advanced beginner on up. Jumps in the trailer like a charm, easy to catch, NO vices!!!! Impossible not to fall in love with! $2,500
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How many lies can I pick out? Many. Here's a copy of my original ad:
I have a gelding for sale. He's 10 years old, measured 4 times at 15 hands, and solid bay, registed in the APHA as "Tiny Chex Bar". Needs to be backed or worked with by experienced hand. Not working out for me because he is very barrel sour from his previous owner, and I like to barrel race. He is really stocky and sweet on the ground. First to the gate, loads, ties, fine with feet, etc. Calm, willing. Has reared before. Never can barrel race or go riding on trails alone, but he's good boy and pretty responsive. Just got back from trianers. For sale so cheap to a very good, forever home only. $300

They told us when they bought him that they would be keeping him for a long time, he was going to fit in perfectly with thier trail riding group, etc, etc.

So......... being absolutly angered to the brim, so much so that my friends kinda backed away (hehe), I got home and posted an..... ANTI-AD! Woot!
Right next to their ad on craigslist..... it said:
I sold Chance, aka " Tiny Chex Bar" 5 DAYS AGO, to these people, who promised us he was going to a great, forever home where he will not have to relive his past again. DO NOT BUY THIS HORSE FOR 2500! The reason I sld him is that he can NEVER do gymkhana's again, because he goes crazy reared, running away with you,etc when he gets in the arena! he can't go on trail rides by himslef without being a freak either. Chance is super sweet and loving, but not somthing I would put I beginner on-EVER! These people are HORSETRADERS! They bought him from me for $300 for a REASON!
Chance is only 9, and is 15 hands solid, not 15.2.
What they say on their ad and website is a LIE! He came with shoes on. They've never seen him with the frrier, and have only had him since WEDNESDAY, the 14th! I can not beleive I sold Chance to a freakin' lieing horsetrader, and do not want anyone to have to go through being cheated into buying a horse. I have a copy of his papers, and 2 bills of sale- one from when we got him, one from when we sold him- to back up whoever doesn't beileve me. Tehy are only going by our word taht he has trail miles.
I would like them to say why they think he is well trained. yes, he is a good, solid $1000 dollar horse on a good day, with his gaits and leads. He was appraised my my neighbor- a PRO BARREL RACER!
Attached is a pic of hime when I had him, and a pic of them 5 days into owning this horse. All I can do now is hope that karma will come back to them and slap them upside the head.
And there I attached the pics.

It made me feel better. I know they legally own him, but the least I can do for interested people and Chance is to post an anti-ad.
Might it be immature? Yes. Did it make me feel better? Yes. has it worked? ABSOLUTELY!
Within an hour, I got an email from a person saying she's so sorry that happened to Chance, and asked if I could charge them with fruad (can't).
AND?! They removed their ad from craigslist. haha- busted! I wonder how many complaints they got! Will I stop at this? Not a chance. Wherever they put up an ad, besides their website, I will follow! MUHAHAHA! (I might not go that far, but....)
And the person that originally gave me the link to the ad said " It will suck for them when a little kid or inexperienced rider gets injured when he acts up".
NOTE: Don't wrry about he original ad I posted. I told them more about him in the email, so they knew excalty what they were getting.

After the anti-ad, I'm moving on. I have Kariba to worry about now :)

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I had that happen with the first horse I owned. I dished out $500 to buy him back. : (
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post #3 of 36 Old 04-20-2010, 08:56 PM
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That is HORRIBLE. People. . . .

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post #4 of 36 Old 04-20-2010, 08:58 PM
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Thats terrible... ive heard so many bad buying/selling stories with horses. I hope it all turns out well for chance! I also want to say, not all horse traders are like that, there are some honest, hard working ones ;)

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post #5 of 36 Old 04-20-2010, 09:00 PM
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Oh no! Can you get the number to the new owners and tell them what happend?
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Unfortunately it happens all the time, which is why when you have a cheap horse you want to go to a good home, you ask for references, contact the person's regular vet for a reference, and get a contract signed if you want first right of refusal. With free or cheap horses, you have to dot your Is and cross your Ts.
*Some* horse traders are a breed unto themselves. They will lie, they will even bring a kid along to try the horse out and they will say the horse is going to be "Suzie's first pony, and she's so excited." While there are very honest horse traders, some of them will not hesitate to say ANYTHING to get a cheap horse to go home with them.
Without being too harsh, thank your lucky stars that Chance is being sold on to hopefully another home, and not to slaughter. Often, horses with a pricetag lower than their meat value will be picked up by a trader (who will often lie to get the horse) will send it straight to the packers - it's a quick, easy $200-$300.

I am not condoning the behavior at all, by the way.... I think it's disgusting, but when you're involved in horses you have to know all these things to avoid getting burned.

Legally, you don't have a single leg to stand on. Money was exchanged, and there was no document stating anything about Chance's future. Without a contract signed by both parties as to Chance's future, you can't do a darned thing - except buy him back at the seller's price. I would tread really lightly in your plan to follow these people around; that can be interpreted as harassment, which is a serious legal issue - one you don't want to end up dealing with.
Please take it as a lesson learned.

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Ok. Got an email from them "explaining", even though Chances' teath were fine, and his feet were all OK'd. Some vets...........
I am so sorry to see how upset I've made you via your craigslist posting and wish you would have contacted me directly. I did purchase Chance with the possbility that he'd be my personal riding horse, however, I always have a few for sale which I fix up and find great homes for to make some money and put myself through school--I just never know which ones will be for resale. I end up keeping what doesn't sell, and given the issues you told me he had, I figured he'd be my "keeper project for a while" until I was plesantly surprised by his great behavior since I've had him. I have ridden Chance every day since he's been home and already had him to the vet to have his teeth floated and a soundness exam performed. My vet said his teeth were awful and may have caused him pain, making him rear, and my vet suggested changing his shoeing so I went ahead and did so--he was great with the farrier. I've already trailered him out for a ride alone and on a walk along, loose rein, relaxed ride he put up no fight. I actually LOVE Chance and am happy to keep him, but since it hasn't seemed that there's much work to do other than the physical stuff, I went ahead and posted an ad and was intending to sell whatever horse goes first and keep the other. I hope you can have some peace of mind knowing that I've already taken such good care of him, and I want you to know that when I sell a horse, I ALWAYS have a contract that requires the buyer to notify me if they want to sell so that I can buy back and keep track of my horses so they never end up in bad places. I've already poured $850 into Chance and the bill will continue to add up quickly which is why I priced him so high. People always make offers on horses in that price range, so do not think that I'd be making a fortune... Its hard, but rewarding work. Anyway, if you regret selling Chance and wish to buy him back, I would only charge you for the vet check, teeth floating, and what I paid you. I would foot the bill for his vaccine, wormer, and fuel expense for my car and then our trailer to come to you in order for you to be happy. If you don't wish to buy him back, know that I will find Chance a fabulous home, and intend to work on his issues that you informed me about until then. He will not be thrown away. If a perfect match doesn't come along, he has an owner who is happy to have him. :) I really think he is very neat! So sorry to have upset you.
BTW, i was going to contact them tonight, actually. AND his teeth WERE fine, which was not the problem with his rearing. They still bought him claiming a forever home, which IS lieing, and aren't telling anyone about his rearing problem.
i may just reply back, saying " I'm sorry to have over reacted, but as you can understand, in my situation, who was I NOT to think you just baoguht a horse and 4 days later sell them to make a buck? I just hope you sell him while intending to tell his future owners about his past problems, so they don't get hurt. I apologize for the posting, as i WAS going to ask you tonight why you were selling him so soon. Just make sure his next home could be a forever one, since that will be is 8th home in his 9 years."
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I'd say take him up on his offer and buy him back. Sure they may SAY all of those things, but only YOU know that you can provide it.
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I'd say take him up on his offer and buy him back. Sure they may SAY all of those things, but only YOU know that you can provide it.
I just bought Kariba and it would be probably $700 to buy him back, which is why i sold him in the first place.
Should I reply with what I said i should?
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I'd buy him back then resell him to make sure they aren't lying about future homes as well. People can lie and say stuff and not mean it.
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