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post #31 of 39 Old 08-03-2012, 04:49 PM
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Yeah, well bear in mind that the Amish don't pay taxes, so they can charge less. HOWEVER, the OP posted in the first post that she dumped $140 on a job that lamed her horse. My $16/horse would be very expensive if I had to pay someone else, like my Vet to fix that problem.
BTW, there is another local Amish farrier who, even in the economy has a 6 month waiting list. He is awesome fast, accurate and he shoes a LOT of local show horses. My guy just started about 7 years ago, and he's building his business. He's slower, but still accurate and he hot shoes. He also has a set of stocks for animals that won't hold still, and I've seen him shoe 2 Belgian geldings in it that wouldn't hold still. The job was beautiful and nobody got hurt. I have a lot of confidence in him, and my horses cooperate with him.
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post #32 of 39 Old 08-03-2012, 04:55 PM
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In social situations, there are so many variables to know why someone really acts the way they do. First of all, give her the benefit of the doubt... maybe she was having a bad day, maybe she is just expressing her concerns in a way that could be worded more politely. But regardless of what is going on in her life, you need to do two things. One point: keep in mind that you shouldn't be rude even if someone is rude to you. There is one kind of firmness that is standing up for yourself and there is another that is not very moral. I look at things from a "what would Jesus do" standpoint. I'm not saying you aren't, and I'm not saying that you were rude, but I am saying that for anyone, in a complicated situation like this, keep that rule in mind. Another thing is... you need to do what is best for your horse. It's one thing to have one farrier work a little better than another, okay. But it's one thing to have someone hurt your horse, cause them issues, do things for the money, and have a good time in the face of someone else's agony. NO. That can't happen, so I applaud you for being knowledgeable enough and cautious enough and brave enough to go against the grain and do this. While I do not know the situation so I can't validly say, I would assume that the farrier and the barn owner have some sort of deal worked out and that is probably why she is so frustrated.. Well, you explained that yourself, so you know that much. I do feel as though since she is the barn owner, you could approach her and tell her in a polite and respectful way that the other farrier was damaging your horse's hooves, and that you would like to try another farrier. You did the right thing by helping rather than hurting your horse, although I do feel as though for the future it might be good to have your barn owner aware of the situation ahead of time, especially if the barn is small/private. I personally don't feel as though it is your responsibility to organize a deal between farrier and barn owner, since you are only the customer. This could be a debatable situation. Since I am in no way a legal consultant or even a horse person with decades of experience like some folks are, please don't take my opinion verbatim, but rather learn from it if you are willing to take my perspective. What I can certainly tell you, though, is that you are not a bad person and not wrong for taking the initiative to leading your horse to a better life. But, like I said, who knows... maybe your BO was having a horrible day. We never know what goes on behind closed doors, and that's a lesson that can be applied to everyone, everywhere. Take care.

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post #33 of 39 Old 08-03-2012, 08:00 PM Thread Starter
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16/trim is very cheap!! The new guy I have is 40/trim 50/front shoes and 85/basic shoeing on all 4 feet.

I appreciate everyone's input into this situation. I spoke to the Bo and explained issues I was having. I calmly told her I would respect whatever decision she made, but if the new farrier was not allowed on her property and that I HAD to use the bad farrier than I would be leaving even though I would hate to go. She said she understood and she didn't want me to leave. So hopefully it will all work out and resolve itself. Fingers crossed. Thank you all for your help
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post #34 of 39 Old 08-03-2012, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Corporal View Post
Yeah, well bear in mind that the Amish don't pay taxes, so they can charge less.
Actually, I understand that the Amish do, in fact, have to file income taxes and pay other taxes with one exception - exception of social security taxes. Do the Amish pay taxes? They have an exemption from paying social security because they do not collect social security benefits as it is against their religious beliefs.

Here in Missouri I believe they also have to pay all local taxes such as to support public services, government and schools even though they don't send their children to these schools.
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post #35 of 39 Old 08-04-2012, 12:51 AM
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My BO in N MS charges $85.00 for self board, so depending where in MS, the $65.00 does not surprise me, especially if she is boaring almost a hundred horses (compared to my BO's 40 something).

I can understand farriers giving discounts for barn calls. Boarders often join up and split call fees for vets, farriers, etc. And often get discounts because boarders provide large, easy jobs. I hear plenty of praises and complaints about farriers and know that for my barn, two are usual. We even have a vet, dentist, and massage therapist on call that everyone shares. But there are at least two farriers lol.

Do what is best for you and your horse. Your respect for elders, in my opinion, should only go as far as the elders respect goes for you. If they want to be harsh, it is still abuse to endure it. Personally, I love grumpy old people. But my love for them only extends as far as their respect does. They can be the grumpiest, snickeriest old fart in the world, but so long as they do not blatantly disrespect me, they have my regards.

Think of it not as a failure but as a success in how not to do it.

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post #36 of 39 Old 08-07-2012, 02:23 PM Thread Starter
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Apparently barn farrier thoguht I was kidding when I told him I would no longer need him.

While I was at work this morning he called and left me a voicemail telling me he was at the barn, and was wondering why Drifter wasn't down in the book as needing to be shod. Really? My question is... do I call him back? Or ignore it and hope he gets the hint? I hate confrontation and only being able to tell him he was fired to his face is what gave me the courage to do it last time.

Should I call and recite the issues Drifter was having to him? Or should I just be thankful i found someone else and move on? I want to be professional about this. Even if he wasnt a good farrier, I want to remain a good client (so no bad word will get around about me from his to his fellow farriers).

What do I do?
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post #37 of 39 Old 08-07-2012, 02:33 PM
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You told him already that you were not using him anymore?

If so I would call back to make sure he understands you have a new farrier. I wouldn't want him to go get your horse and do his feet thinking you just forgot to put his name down or have the BO put your name back in the book.
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post #38 of 39 Old 08-07-2012, 02:34 PM
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Just ignore him and move on. There is no need to lay out everything done wrong. You told him once you do not need his services any more. That is enough, and that is the most diplomatic you can be about it. If he confronts you in person again, asking about Drifter and trimming, just repeat that you no longer are in need of his services. Nothing more, nothing less.

Think of it not as a failure but as a success in how not to do it.

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post #39 of 39 Old 08-15-2012, 06:38 PM
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I have nothing to add to the discussion of your BO, since it seems like that's all worked out.

As for the farrier, I am so glad you found someone else. One thing to always keep in mind is that as the owner, you are solely responsible for the care your horse gets. From what you described, there were a lot of problems going on there aside from the horrible job he did. Charging full price for shoes that came off so soon? Really? I've never had a farrier charge me for a lost shoe, ever. And there is no way I would ever allow any person working on my horses to speak to me the way he spoke to you. The great thing about having my horses at home is that I could tell someone like that to pack up, get out, and never come back.

I hope your relationship with your BO continues in a positive direction.
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