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    02-12-2013, 10:12 PM
While I agree that the guy shouldn't have just jumped in like he did (although I kind of missed the fact that he is German; my best friend is from Germany and can be very rude by accident), making excuses for your horse is neither in your best interest or her's.

I hate riding dirty stoppers, and that is why when I am teaching a green horse to jump, I don't care if the grid is not set up for their stride. When I was schooling a butt to the sky, 15 hand greenie to pop over grids, I had him take it whether or not it "fit his stride". Even though they were just cross rails and small verticals, it helped him, and certainly did not sour him. I'm going to do the same thing for my new horse.
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    02-12-2013, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by wild_spot    
I must be a fool then!

I start all my horses jumping logs etc. out on the trail. I point them at it, legs on, ready to give a big release in case they cat leap, and you bet your bippy they are going over it, even if it means they stand in front of it for ten minutes before stepping over. My horses are NEVER allowed to turn away from a jump once we have committed to jumping it. If it is a green horse, the jumps should be small enough to WALK over. If you are walking, striding doesn't matter one bit. They step one foot at a time. If any green horse tried to refuse a grid, we would walk it. A MUCH lesser evil than allowing the horse to make decisions and choose to turn away from a jump.

I must be a BIG fool, as the last horse I started jumping has taken his young rider to placings at state ODE and is on the state training squad.
I got caught up in the jumping in the arena I didn't even think about on trails, cause that is what I do. So with this being brought out, oh you betcha if I ask my horse to go over a stream or whatever we are doing it! I don't care if it takes all day!
    02-12-2013, 10:54 PM
Some of these comments make my head hurt. I've been trained by multiple trainers at huge hunter/jumper barns that you are supposed to do trot poles and canter poles before you start jumping. When you start trotting crosspoles, put trot poles in front of the jump to help the horse find it's spacing; same with cantering the jump. I find it absurd that anyone would expect a green horse to find the strides in a grid when the horse hasn't even learned it's own stride yet, much less how to adjust it's stride. The trainers I've had working with when my Arab was green over fences, always adjusted the courses to his stride until they felt him able to adjust his stride on his own.
Everyone has their own training practices, and the OP has her own trainer. She learned a lot from what happened, and when she feels comfortable enough with herself and her horse I'm sure her and her trainer will stop adjusting grids to fit her Arab's stride. I feel like some of the things said were straight up judgmental and rude when nobody knows the OP or has seen her ride. Nobody is a perfect rider, and a real horse person knows darn well that NOBODY knows everything about horses and riding. Every ride is a learning experience.
Whenever my Arab would consider refusing something, I would make him even walk over the jump. Sometimes if I'm just that frustrated with a ride, it's not a bad idea to kick it down a few notches, and do something easy to end it on a good note rather than pushing myself when I'm frustrated and frustrating my horse to the point where it's near impossible to end on a good note; just start fresh the next ride. I think the OP did the right thing by trying to do something easier rather than irritate herself and her mare further when neither felt comfortable enough with what they were doing.
And OP, congrats on your good lesson today =]
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    02-13-2013, 09:27 AM
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I did not read all of these posts, and I have never been a boarder, so this would be something I have zero experience with.

That being said, can you ask the BO to say something to him? Or, would your barn owner be OK with you saying something like "Excuse me sir, but you are not my instructor and I would really appreciate it if you did not interfere in my working and riding sessions."

Is that kind of response from you or your instructor even possible in your situation? I always try to take a direct route and admittedly, would not make a very good politician. I just can't think that it should be your only choice to not use facilities you pay for.

I also found out many years ago that, even though I trained horses and people for a living, it was not wise to offer help when I was not asked for it. Obviously, this person needs to learn that lesson.
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