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        08-25-2013, 03:27 AM
      #31
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Marcie    
    While you probably don't Have to tell the mare's owner what is going on.. It is the right thing to do..
    the owners of the mares will know,as they are always leaving their horses loose,at least twice a week I help police get them off the road ,my horse is yoked up most days. And when I bring him back I corn him before re tethering him ,otherwise the other horses are like a flock of pigeons trying to to share it.,there are at least forty horses on tethers or meant to be on tethers on this land but there are at least twelve running loose including foals
         
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        08-25-2013, 04:34 AM
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    Are you kidding, Stan? You know darn well that a stud can make unwanted babies by the Many, while the mare makes only the one. It makes only sense to regulate the male over the female. This isn't a boy vs girl type thing. It's common sense.
    Your response is emotional while my comment was light hearted.

    However I have been on many horse treks that have had numours squeeling mares that are so in heat it upsets the other mares. Do you not think it is the owners responsibility to control their mares and to consider others, and as for making many babies if the mare in not in season there is not going to be a foal.

    Stop blaming the stallion and look at the situation in a more open manner. There is just as much responsibility on the owner of the mare in season as there is on the owner of a stallion. When my mare is at the peek of her season I do not take her out in a group. Its my responsibility to consider the other riders and how she can upset the other horses.

    When the mare jumps a fence to get to the stallion who is responsible and who pays for what. If your mare jumped a fence or even went through a gate to get to my stallion. YOU would be paying a stud fee. I have seen mares go through all sorts of antice to get to a stallion.

    In my book both are responsible not just the owner of a stallion.
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        08-25-2013, 02:00 PM
      #33
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Stan    
    Your response is emotional while my comment was light hearted.

    However I have been on many horse treks that have had numours squeeling mares that are so in heat it upsets the other mares. Do you not think it is the owners responsibility to control their mares and to consider others, and as for making many babies if the mare in not in season there is not going to be a foal.

    Stop blaming the stallion and look at the situation in a more open manner. There is just as much responsibility on the owner of the mare in season as there is on the owner of a stallion. When my mare is at the peek of her season I do not take her out in a group. Its my responsibility to consider the other riders and how she can upset the other horses.

    When the mare jumps a fence to get to the stallion who is responsible and who pays for what. If your mare jumped a fence or even went through a gate to get to my stallion. YOU would be paying a stud fee. I have seen mares go through all sorts of antice to get to a stallion.

    In my book both are responsible not just the owner of a stallion.
    . Go for it stan lol
         
        08-26-2013, 07:05 AM
      #34
    Weanling
    This is a pic of the gelding lol
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        08-26-2013, 07:55 AM
      #35
    Green Broke
    I'd like to see anyone attempt charge to charge a stud fee for an accidental breeding. It would NEVER happen. The simple fact is that , unless there was damage done to the stallion, there is NO associated cost with the stallions breeding. The mare on the other hand will need special vet care, special feed, will be out of work and never mind the cost caring for and training the foal. Even aborting costs money. The stallion does one thing, ejaculates sperm and really... That's free. Other then that he and his owner have no commit to carrying, birthing and raising a foal.
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        08-27-2013, 02:19 AM
      #36
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    I'd like to see anyone attempt charge to charge a stud fee for an accidental breeding. It would NEVER happen. The simple fact is that , unless there was damage done to the stallion, there is NO associated cost with the stallions breeding. The mare on the other hand will need special vet care, special feed, will be out of work and never mind the cost caring for and training the foal. Even aborting costs money. The stallion does one thing, ejaculates sperm and really... That's free. Other then that he and his owner have no commit to carrying, birthing and raising a foal.
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    May be where you are that may be the case however in my neck of the woods and your mare got onto my property and used my Stallion You would be paying. I am a responsible horse owner and make sure my horses stay home.
    It is your responsibility to keep your inseason mare form escaping her enclosure. It is your responsibility to make sure she can not escape and wreck havoc. It is your responsibility as a horse owner to be aware of the consequences of the antics of an in season mare. Slidestop are you one of the many women owners I have seen on treks that have brought along their in season mare regardless of the impact they have on other horses and the danger to the riders that causes.

    One of our mares was so bad she would back up to any thing. Now can you really blame the owner of the Stallion.

    Now as for the mare would need a lot of special vet care so on and so forth. If you cannot control your in season mare do you really expect the owner of a stallion who had no input into your mare getting in foal because your mare jumped the fence to pay. As I said before. In my neck of the woods given the circumstances out lined. You would be paying for the unautherised use of my Stallion any dammage to him if he gets kicked, and the stud fee would be considerable. Not to mention the legal bill if you decided to contest it.

    Just a passing question after reading some of the comments have any of you ever been on a trail ride, having to riding single file over a high pass with the mare infront of you winking and squirting. Its **** dangerous for the horse behind, not to mention the rider. And very inconsiderate of the owner bring a horse in that condition on a trail ride. I know myself and male friends will not take their mares out when in season.

    Cheers all and safe riding
         
        08-27-2013, 08:41 AM
      #37
    Green Broke
    Idk what "neck of the woods" your from but I highly doubt you going after a mare owners for a stud fee is going to hold in court. The reason mare owners can go after stallion owner because of the cost associated with the foal, not for the actual breeding. The stallions end if the deal is duty free at the end of the day. I'd pay for damages to your property or horse willingly, but you'd have one hell of a time getting anyone to pay for your "stud fee".

    And yes, I ride my mare when she is in heat... Even in groups because I can't control her! She knows its unacceptable to be squirting and winking while I'm working on or around her. If someone cannot control their stallion or gelding that's not my fault. Likewise if you've had a problem with mares in heat it more then likely poor ownership, whether it be the judgement to know its not appropriate to bring the horse because of it behavior or because they cannot properly handle their horse.
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        08-27-2013, 12:40 PM
      #38
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    Originally Posted by Stan    
    Just a passing question after reading some of the comments have any of you ever been on a trail ride, having to riding single file over a high pass with the mare infront of you winking and squirting. Its **** dangerous for the horse behind, not to mention the rider. And very inconsiderate of the owner bring a horse in that condition on a trail ride. I know myself and male friends will not take their mares out when in season.
    People bring mares in heat on trail rides and for showing ALL THE TIME. NEVER have had or seen an issue with it. Moreover I went with such mares and stallion on long trail rides, and stallion didn't even look towards the mare.

    It all comes down to TRAINING. For mares as well as stallions as well as geldings. My mares are NOT allowed to misbehave when they are in heat.
         
        08-27-2013, 01:56 PM
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    Idk what "neck of the woods" your from but I highly doubt you going after a mare owners for a stud fee is going to hold in court. The reason mare owners can go after stallion owner because of the cost associated with the foal, not for the actual breeding. The stallions end if the deal is duty free at the end of the day. I'd pay for damages to your property or horse willingly, but you'd have one hell of a time getting anyone to pay for your "stud fee".

    And yes, I ride my mare when she is in heat... Even in groups because I can't control her! She knows its unacceptable to be squirting and winking while I'm working on or around her. If someone cannot control their stallion or gelding that's not my fault. Likewise if you've had a problem with mares in heat it more then likely poor ownership, whether it be the judgement to know its not appropriate to bring the horse because of it behavior or because they cannot properly handle their horse.
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    If you read what I said, the men I ride with don't take our mares out when in season due to their behavour. I find it disconcerting that you would take an in season mare out in a group setting in that condition. As for the legal side of it. Your mare gets into my property that make you responsible in law. As for you controling your mare while in season I ride mares and bull to that. You can not stop the horse from doing what nature intended and as such it upsets the other horses and makes for danger. My signature tells you what neck of the woods I come from. Blaiming the owners of Stallions or rigs is in my opinion is a horse owner who does not take responsibility for there own charge And I would win in court.
         
        08-27-2013, 02:02 PM
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    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    People bring mares in heat on trail rides and for showing ALL THE TIME. NEVER have had or seen an issue with it. Moreover I went with such mares and stallion on long trail rides, and stallion didn't even look towards the mare.

    It all comes down to TRAINING. For mares as well as stallions as well as geldings. My mares are NOT allowed to misbehave when they are in heat.

    I have witnessed Mares in season causing danger and harm to others As for training A horse is an animal that when threatened only one thing on its mind and that is self preservation. No amount of training will over come millions of years of instinct. We are on their backs because they allow us to be. Ever had your horse get such a fright it takes the bit between its teeth and its gone. Come on it is dangerous to think you can train out instinct. There is no such thing as a bomb proof horse or any animal.
         

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