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post #101 of 157 Old 04-10-2013, 10:26 PM
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post #102 of 157 Old 04-10-2013, 10:26 PM
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Oooops.....anyway.....I don't want to wake up to this everyday......
Oooh Muppetgirl, you always bring in the humorous sides of each story. Lol.
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Murder...seriously?? It's not as if anyone is suggesting to inhumanely slaughter this horse. It was suggested to put down a vicious and dangerous horse. I'm willing to bet you shudder at the thought of horses being sold to meat buyers at the auctions as well. Regardless of how much we love our horses we must remember they are large powerful animals fully capable of killing us if the mood strikes them.

If you are willing to take on the responsibility of horse ownership, then you should always have a plan of action should something go wrong. In theory, that is.
Congrats, you won that bet. Also I am fully aware our animals can kill us. I am also fully aware we can kill our horses (not with our bare hands of course, but so may people here seem to mention other ways) I prefer to keep things less barbaric and decide to keep the killing all around to a minimum :)
I don't know if this is correct but it seems by the way you worded it in your post that your first plan of action when something goes wrong is to kill it... sounds logical.
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post #104 of 157 Old 04-10-2013, 10:28 PM
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I agree, but horses don't have the thinking capacity of humans. While it was deliberate and planned it was still acted on impulse. These are pre-thought out responses without prior abuse.
The way this girl is treating these horses and CREATING THESE MONSTERS is, in my book, abuse.
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post #105 of 157 Old 04-10-2013, 10:31 PM
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5Bijou5, who do you love most in your life?

For me it's my husband, sister and Mum.

If I have a choice of who I would rather grieve, then it would be me. For sure I would be terribly sad that I put a dangerous horse to sleep or moved it along - however I would rather that that the pain my hubby, sis and Mum would feel if I died.
It's not really about a will to live on my part or not, bam it would be over - it's about what it is important in my life.

Would your Mom or whoever is most important in your life, would they rather have you or a horse?
this is a very complicated question that I won't get into on this thread. I don't really want to make this about my life / relationships. So lets bring it back to everyone calling me an immature-fantasy-living-unrealistic little girl and me calling everyone killers.
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The way this girl is treating these horses and CREATING THESE MONSTERS is, in my book, abuse.
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Very much so. I totally agree, and I HATE this girl.
I was saying that the horse was abused by this girl and acting on impulse. You compared the horse trying to kill to the people trying to kill. I was making the point that these people aren't acting on impulse and weren't abused.
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I don't know if this is correct but it seems by the way you worded it in your post that your first plan of action when something goes wrong is to kill it... sounds logical.
There's not a single person here who would be happy to put a horse to sleep. Hang around a while and see the massive grief we feel we when lose our animals. I think you are misjudging us. We all love horses or we would not be here.

One of the worst days in my life was when I put my dog to sleep, it was just sheer hell. But he was in a coma and even with the help of vets and meds for 8 hours he wouldn't wake up. He'd been ill, and it was time. His ashes are sitting in a box above me right now, his photo is next to my bed. That day at the vets cost me $4k, and I came home with a box.

Please don't act morally superior, just because you have a different point of view. Get to know us a bit before you do that.
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Congrats, you won that bet. Also I am fully aware our animals can kill us. I am also fully aware we can kill our horses (not with our bare hands of course, but so may people here seem to mention other ways) I prefer to keep things less barbaric and decide to keep the killing all around to a minimum :)
I don't know if this is correct but it seems by the way you worded it in your post that your first plan of action when something goes wrong is to kill it... sounds logical.
Where in my post did I say anything about my first plan of action being to kill it if something goes wrong?? I said when you have a large animal capable of killing you, you have should have a plan of action should something go wrong.

That's not saying the horse looked at me wrong so I think it should be shot.
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Okay, I only watched the video and skipped over much of the following thread, though I did get the gist of most of it.

That is not the first time that horse has kicked. A first time kicker will generally not aim with such clear deliberation and precise targeting. Therefore, the horse is a kicker. It will happen again, perhaps next time he'll catch her in the face or the neck or the back where there is nothing to protect her. Unfortunately, it may take a crushed face or a broken spine for her to realize that the horse is troubled.

Frankly, I don't really see that as worthy of the "you need to wear a helmet" argument. To me, that video is more proof of "you need to learn how to train/handle a horse properly".

I can't say for certain that I would definitely put the horse down for that, but that would certainly be the final option if I deemed that the horse was not going to be able to be trained out of that. I won't keep a kicker and, if he wouldn't stop, I couldn't sell him in good conscience. Therefore, I'd have him put down...or shipped off to slaughter.

With the horse market like it is, I've got no use for a horse I can't trust and I'd never trust that horse even if he never offered to kick again. I wouldn't want to keep him, but at the same time, I wouldn't dare try to sell him without full disclosure about his issues which would include a history as a kicker. That alone would knock out much of the limited market for a horse like him. So, he's essentially worthless.

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Robs you big meanie :) didn't you just save a little filly?
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