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        04-10-2013, 09:58 PM
      #81
    Yearling
    I love my horses, they aren't just some "stock" I have standing around, they aren't just tools for me to use and abuse, and they certainly aren't disposable. However, if one of them deliberately kicked me in the head and acted the way that horse did, you can bet your bum either hubby would shoot it or it would be going through the sale. It's only a matter of time before that horse takes it to the next level and stomps her and kills her rather than just firing one off on her head. In a perfect world a Clinton Anderson, Pat Parelli, Jesus Christ, who ever trainer, would come save the day and take the horse and train it and it turn out to be the most loving and gentle kids horse. Unfortunately that won't happen. The horse needs to be put down and this girl needs to know she is the reason for it.
         
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        04-10-2013, 09:59 PM
      #82
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    Originally Posted by 5Bijou5    
    that's...that's.... just not right.
    I guess we agree to disagree.

    When I was 16-25, I would have done everything in my power to save every single animal out there. Now I would rather put my energy into an animal that has never put a foot wrong, and will die without that help - over a horse or animal that tried to kill someone. Either way, an animal will die, so why the good one?
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        04-10-2013, 10:00 PM
      #83
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by dlpark2    
    Unfortunitely, that from the comments I read on Utube and the comments on her facebook posts, getting the horse a better home or a trainer will never happen cause she loves what he does......so someday, he is going to kill her and then is either going to be sold and kill someone else cause he will be put on craigslist as a showing jumper and sold for $5000 or up and will end up killing someone else or he will be sent to auction. I have trained many dogs and trained my own horses, but sometimes they are just to far go to bring back from the brink of insanity.... I love animals with all my heart and soul, but I would never want to be responsible for the death of another because of the animal being aggressive.
    I know getting him to a trainer will never happen. The horse is never going to be killed either. I am horrified because we are talking about theoretically what we would do with the horse.
    Also you would hate to be responsible for the death of another because of the animal being aggressive. I would hate to be responsible for the death of an animal because the owner is an idiot. I would prefer to keep both alive if possible. Better to separate than kill... at least in my book.
         
        04-10-2013, 10:01 PM
      #84
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Iseul    
    And when those dogs of yours bite someone else that realizes the wrong, the dogs will be killed and charges will be placed on owner/handler.

    I don't care if I pay $50k for a property dog..It bites someone that lives on the property it will be shot and shipped back to it's trainer/breeding facility with an intended refund. I couldn't give a flying rat's hind end how much the animal is worth, who's at fault, etc. If any animal of mine (dog, cat, horse, etc) purposly tries to maim/kill a human, it will be shot day of. I can go get another dog that is appropriate for the humans in my house and on my property. I've never in my life heard a person that understands animals say "well, it was my fault. I shouldn't have looked at them while they were eating or touched them while they were sleeping." BullS, if I accidently nudge my dog because it's sleeping beside my bed and I get up, I'll be ****ed if it bites me and lives. I could care less who the more "intelligent species" is, animals need to be kept to a standard or culled, except there's people out there (such as you?) who live in a fantasy world..And when they get killed, someone else is stuck with the animal they should've had put down.

    Oh, and I was dead serious about shooting that horse. I'll deal with my mare that kicks because it scared people away (hasn't kicked at me again after I beat her butt around the arena for it the day I got her on my (well, boarding) property and off of her old owners). The only reason I haven't done so to her is because it isn't a deliberate strike to maim/kill me, just get me to leave her be. There's a difference between those horses..One with intent to kill, and with an empty threat.
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    Exactly...there is only one time that I was ever bite by a dog and let it live because it was my fault...I was stupid and tried to break up a dog fight and got nailed in doing it...My mare was given to us and we were told she was a "kicker"...she turned her butt on me once or twice when we first got her and I lashed her right across the rump with the carrot stick and she has never done it again, but she was doing it out of pure fear that I was trying to kill her, not the other way around. She had not had any human contact except for once a day feedings for about 5 years, so everything was a threat to her...saddle a threat, lead rope a threat, halter a threat, bridle a threat. In the 8 or 9 months I have had her, she still has her bitchy mare moments, but she doesn't try to kick out anymore.
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        04-10-2013, 10:02 PM
      #85
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by AlexS    
    I guess we agree to disagree.

    When I was 16-25, I would have done everything in my power to save every single animal out there. Now I would rather put my energy into an animal that has never put a foot wrong, and will die without that help - over a horse or animal that tried to kill someone. Either way, an animal will die, so why the good one?
    Agreed. We can agree to disagree.
         
        04-10-2013, 10:02 PM
      #86
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by 5Bijou5    
    I know getting him to a trainer will never happen. The horse is never going to be killed either. I am horrified because we are talking about theoretically what we would do with the horse.
    Also you would hate to be responsible for the death of another because of the animal being aggressive. I would hate to be responsible for the death of an animal because the owner is an idiot. I would prefer to keep both alive if possible. Better to separate than kill... at least in my book.
    sometimes it just isn't possible though...unfortunitely a fact of life.
         
        04-10-2013, 10:05 PM
      #87
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    Originally Posted by 5Bijou5    
    Also you would hate to be responsible for the death of another because of the animal being aggressive. I would hate to be responsible for the death of an animal because the owner is an idiot. I would prefer to keep both alive if possible. Better to separate than kill... at least in my book.
    Sorry, human lives are more important than animal lives. It sounds harsh, but it's absolutely true. I love each and every one of my animals, but if they were to become aggressive to the extent of deliberately aiming to kill, they would be put down, no questions asked.

    You also have to consider that while training sounds like a good answer, it's hard to find a trainer willing to risk their life to put some manners on a vicious animal.
         
        04-10-2013, 10:06 PM
      #88
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by 5Bijou5    
    Like I said, it was always my fault. (two of the times I was too young to know better and one of the times I was seven and left home alone with a bagel and a food-aggressive-prior-stray) Just like these accidents in the videos is the girl's fault. She made him this way.

    When I owned my problem horse a few people told me to send him to slaughter. I could NEVER imagine doing that. Doesn't matter what he did. I realize we have totally different perspectives on this but I just don't understand how you could say
    "With many millions of horses going to slaughter who would never do this, why not take one of them rather than wasting time on this one?"
    I understand the millions of horses need homes but you so easily condemned this horse to death and wrote him off as a waste of time. That's...that's.... just not right.
    I think I will point out that most of us on here are pro slaughter for the good of the horse economy.

    Just to get that out in the clear, not trying to hijack the thread.


    My family sent a TB mare to the auction because she liked to blowup and try and hurt people. She'd be fine and then explode into bucking and rearing fits. She was dangerous, plain and simple. We gave her a lot of 'second' chances and then decided that it wasn't worth getting hurt. We sent her through auction with a note, "TB mare, 8 years old, broke to ride, but unpredictable". She went to 'Ron, pen...' One of the local meat buyers.

    On the dog note, we had a dog that turned on my brother. When my dad went to chain him up so that the kids could be outside playing, the dog tried to bite him. That was the end of the dog. We have kids, and kids are more precious than any animal could ever be.

    They are animals. Companions, friends, protectors, pets, yes... But they turn nasty and that is that. It's not worth anyone's life, just to keep 'fido' or 'fanny' alive. Do we love our horses and dogs, yes we do, a lot! But also can think through fantasies.
         
        04-10-2013, 10:07 PM
      #89
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by dlpark2    
    sometimes it just isn't possible though...unfortunitely a fact of life.
    Like I said, if possible. I know we don't live in a perfect world and awful things sometimes have to happen. I was just offended that so many people jumped to murder so quickly, especially when talking theoretically about options.
         
        04-10-2013, 10:13 PM
      #90
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by equiniphile    
    Sorry, human lives are more important than animal lives. It sounds harsh, but it's absolutely true. I love each and every one of my animals, but if they were to become aggressive to the extent of deliberately aiming to kill, they would be put down, no questions asked.

    You also have to consider that while training sounds like a good answer, it's hard to find a trainer willing to risk their life to put some manners on a vicious animal.
    If you read carefully I didn't say that animals were more important than people. I was saying that you shouldn't kill unless necessary.
         

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