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post #11 of 31 Old 10-13-2012, 09:46 AM
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i have been on the other side of this.

when i evented my pony we won A LOT. or at least placed really well. people always thought he was push button and i just sat there. in reality he was super spooky, afraid of people, would run away, would stop at jumps if you didnt ride pretty perfectly. that pony taught me a ton. people would always talk behind my back or make comments that i only won because of him. then they would want to jump him and he wouldnt even go over a cross rail...

after training a lot of horses for a few years, i got my mare. she was a steal, and shes pretty fancy. i still get the same thing about how i have it easy and my horse is just really good, i dont have to ride hard. she IS really good, out of 3 events this summer she got a 2nd and a 1st. i am VERY proud of that. some people are snotty to me because of it. what they dont realized is i broke her. when i got her she was basically unhandled and couldnt hardly lead and a 3yo. ive done all her training.

the bottom line is dont judge people. also, comparing yourself to others will never make you happy. as long as you have what you want it shouldnt matter what another person has.

the fact is that you cant change other people, you can only change yourself.
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post #12 of 31 Old 10-13-2012, 12:18 PM
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@AlexS - working harder only takes you so far. I hate to say it but I think money plays a huge factor in how far mediocre rider can go, like the rich girls in being given the special treatment. They likely get more lessons, get access to horses with better training and are able to have their horses ridden by a pro on a regular basis. Not to say that you can't do it without - you totally can! - but it's certainly easier with the help.

On another note...this is just based on my experience and has nothing to do with any specific individuals here
I've see that there's a few kinds of riders in the show world - riders and passengers. The riders work hard, train and try to improve. Even the people who just ride a show here and there falls into this category. Then there's the passengers. These come in two flavors: the kind that masters a few patterns and does only that, showing the same tests and eventually placing first just about all the time because well they're not doing anything else. Then there's the passenger type who buys a highly trained horse or even gets one of the kinds of horses from the pattern rider and basically just stays on with minimal input while the horse does his thing.
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post #13 of 31 Old 10-13-2012, 02:20 PM
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I've been on both sides...
When I was around 12, and just started competing in dressage, there was a 16 year old girl who had a beautiful, well schooled arab gelding called. She won everything- and I obviously thought it was just because of her horse.
She went to college, and another girl bought that horse. The new girl is a really good rider too- did she win everything? Nope...

I've also had people be rude to me because my sister 'trained' my horse, and I took over when she went to college. It made me a spoiled brat and my horse push button.

Really, the best thing to do imo, is smile, nod and concentrate on your own riding.
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post #14 of 31 Old 10-13-2012, 02:51 PM
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I feel you. It can be rough, but not much you can do but smile and keep working on what you can. My guy has been a challenge for me- at times I've wondered if I really am such a terrible rider that I couldn't even post or sit a trot! Then I get on another horse who is better trained and it's easy again. But yesterday, we actually had a decent sitting trot for the first time ever. I've been working this horse a YEAR to get that. Some people come by it though luck, others hard work, others money they got through hard work, and yet others money they got through luck. Doesn't make me a worse rider just because they look prettier.
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post #15 of 31 Old 10-13-2012, 03:21 PM
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I agree with the majority of people here.

Of course, I'd love to own a big fancy horse some day, but I definitely don't equate having the better horse with winning even though it does help. I've competed at decent sized shows for my area (around fourteen riders in the ring), and I've came out in the top three with a green five year old.. which was a huge surprise to both myself and my coach. I think that a lot of riders are too focused on winning. My instructor has always told me that the only competition is myself; I'm not there to win ribbons, just to accomplish my goals and do the best we can do. Although, I think that viewpoint depends on where you are situated in the horse world, so to speak.
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post #16 of 31 Old 10-13-2012, 03:34 PM
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So true!
I quite like getting the more challenging horses
It makes you a far better rider in the long run

To ride or not to ride? ... What a stupid question!!
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I have been on the other side of this as well. My older gelding was a great first horse in that he was been there, done that- great teacher. I honestly didn't think he was impossible to ride and we did fairly well. My "friends" would always talk about how I didn't have to do much work and they comlained. When we switched horses, guess who got bucked off the "push button" horse? Yep, the same girl who said he was really easy and you didn't have to do anything.

Alex S.- I knew there was going to be a comment or two like yours and it was what I was trying to avoid. I know that jelousy can be ugly, and you shouldn't compare yourself to others, in fact I said it.
I know that when you start comparing yourself to other horses and riders, you get to be in a danger zone
. I also said this:
In the end, seeing this horse inspires me to work harder, "One day, I will be able to get on and my horse will look like that"
. I'm not jealous of her horse or her money. I'm glad I have to work for what I want, but the point of this post was to rant about how people forget the difference between a good horse and a good rider. That not every good horse has a good rider and not every good rider has a good horse.

gypsygirl: I'm not judging, I'm observing. It would be judgement if I hadn't ridden her horse. Since I rode her horse and saw what happened when she rode mine, I'm just stating that there is a difference between a good horse and a good rider.

Dancing Arabian: You worded it perfectly, maybe the title of the post should be the difference between a good rider and a good passenger :)

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post #18 of 31 Old 10-13-2012, 04:19 PM
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You know, I've been riding a good many years and have a pretty good idea how to sit different horses. However, if I were to get up on a Grand Prix level animal, I doubt seriously I could even get him to move.

So any of you thinking having a fancy high level horse means the rider doesn't have to know what they're doing, are dead wrong. That rider has to know how to correctly cue the horse or it doesn't matter how expensive the animal was, or to what levels it was trained.

Finesse in dealing with schoolmasters takes time, training and ability. Sure, maybe they didn't have to deal with the rank greenie just off the track, but that doesn't mean they haven't had to work with the horse they've been given.

Do your best with the hand you've been dealt, and be grateful that you're lucky enough to have horses in your life.

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post #19 of 31 Old 10-13-2012, 06:16 PM
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"Some men receive greatness through hard work and determination and some men receive greatness as a graduation present". Its not my point to judge them. I don't think I am a better rider because I have a horse that might take more work. I am just a rider. I am not going to compete in the olympics, I won't win any big buckles and I probably won't ever jump even 3 feet. My horse is not perfect but neither am I. I am just a rider. I try to do my best by my horse who is my partner and really thats all I can ask of myself. Sometimes, I am convinced I am flubbing it all up. Then I have days like today where I go for a trail ride, solo on a horse that six months ago I would never dream of doing so on. He was good, I was good and thus together we were good. Thats why I ride because when I am in that horse rider relationship and things are going well then nothing else really matters.

Worry less about what others at your barn are doing or how much they are spending and focus on the good work you have done. You might be doing a better job then some but others might do a better job then you. A great concert pianist said to his mother "I am the greatest musician in the concert hall." His mother asked "how do you know". The pianist said "when I finish my music the audience stands and claps that is how I know". His mother said "how do you know that the audience is not just happy that its over." I am sure you are doing a good job with your horse but maybe this girl on the other horse is going through a confidence thing? Maybe the horse is so good and expensive because her parents are not often home?
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post #20 of 31 Old 10-14-2012, 02:07 AM
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I have a friend who has grown up around horses and her family is real big Clinton Anderson fans (Natural Horsemanship) and so this friend (not really friend anymore) she is an "okay" rider but she is used to push button horses and so her parents will buy an expensive horse for her and she'll ride it a couple times and the horse will buck a little lets say. She has HORRIBLE balance so of course she'll fall off and then her parents get all freaked out and toss the horse off to the side and get her a new horse. While her old horse just stands in the stall all day.. It makes me SO angry. Because her "old" horses are magnificent beautiful horses and I would take them all home, but she just gets scared and forgets about them. But if she has a horse that is sweet and is too nice to buck her off she'll be really mean to the horse to get it to do what she wants even if she hasn't tought the horse what she wants. I personally love the horses that buck and are a challenge so I just don't get her and her parents..
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