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post #21 of 31 Old 10-14-2012, 01:53 AM
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I know a girl that has a nice horse but she herself cannot ride or handle horses. Shes very.. ill taught in a lot of aspects and if she doesn't win she throws a fit. (Now that I look back there's two other girls that are like this minus the sore loser part. Just very nice horses doing the work)
Most of us get sick of it because we actually work to place and keep our horses doing well.
Two of the three girls, I know cant get on a 'untrained' horse without saying somethings wrong with the horse.

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post #22 of 31 Old 10-14-2012, 02:19 AM
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I have seen expensive, well trained horses compete with someone who can "afford" them but not really capable of riding them. Eventually that horse comes down to the rider's level. You can only fake it for so long unless the horse is capable of carrying the workload, but the majority are not. If you see someone winning all the time, I doubt they are always faking it. However, they could be decent rider & the competition could be decent riders, they just happen to have a better horse, it happens.
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post #23 of 31 Old 10-14-2012, 02:42 AM
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As a child my parents could not afford for me to ride every week so my sister rode one week and I the next.
My reward for working all day at the stables was to be allowed to ride bareback to and from the fields with the ponies.
I also became the 'rough' rider in that any pony or horse that came there for remedial training, I was the one put on them to sort them out. Free rides! It didn't matter that I spent more of that ride eating dirt than actual riding, it was riding!

(One pony all of 13 hands, would buck like stink and I fell off him so many times. All I did was to get back on and make him do what I wanted. In the end he just realised that he was wasting energy because I would clamber back on again.)

I then competed on this pony, he was good, we won a lot jumping and it was great but then another naughty pony came along and I was riding that and someone else had the ride on the original.
That is how my competitive life as a child went. I sorted them out, got them going and then took on the next remedial.

I was never envious of the others who had more money and were winning. I loved the naughties and the problems they threw at me.
I did have good rides on good horses, competed at national level in the Pony Club but realised that I would never be able to afford to compete at anything other than local level.

Any horse takes riding regardless of how good they are. Some are easy some are not.
As a young adult a 'reward' from and owner for sorting out a big young home bred horse for them (and selling it very well) I was allowed to ride the owners Grand Prix mare on a dressage course with a top international trainer.

It was fantastic, learning which buttons to press to get half pass, piaffe and passage was not easy. I learned a lot from the mare and trainer but, given the chance I much preferred the young horse and his antics.

When classes are judged on the horse and not the rider it is hard when money talks. You have been honest and realise that jealousy will be a bad thing should you let it take over. You also know that you are a better rider for the experiences you are having with your green horse, what you are feeling is, in my opinion, natural. Stay friends with the girl, if she lets you ride her horse learn what it feels like to get a movement that is established so you can try pushing the same buttons on your horse.

Be pleased for her when she places and keep working at it with your horse.
More to ne learned from the green horses in the long run.
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post #24 of 31 Old 10-14-2012, 06:49 AM
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Just agreeing with Speed Racer's post.... Many of these expensive, high performance horses take a lot of finesse and skill to ride. I don't think *I* could make a four star eventer or Grand Prix dressage horse look good. Riding such an animal might not require the same skills as bringing on a green horse, but it takes skill nonetheless. If you're really a useless rider, you're not going a win a thing eventing, even if you were sitting on Headley Britannia. It pays to remember that horses learn bad habits as easily as good ones, and if this lass can keep her horse eventing and eventing well, she must be doing something more than being a passenger. Many a schoolmaster's behaviour has gone to pear shaped due to having an inexperienced new owner. I doubt you can event successfully and win things if 99% of it is the horse. The horse, even a schoolmaster, needs consistent handling and training from its rider. She may have a slightly easier job on her $30,000 eventer, but she still needs to know what she's doing.

Also, if you're used to horses who easily go soft and supple and don't spend a lot of time riding other horses, it's a bit of a shock to the system to get on a stiff, bracey, unbalanced one.

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post #25 of 31 Old 10-19-2012, 03:12 AM
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Just agreeing with Speed Racer's post.... Many of these expensive, high performance horses take a lot of finesse and skill to ride
So true. First time I rode a GP horse, I asked him to walk, he went into piaffe. Not to mention I couldn't canter without ending up doing flying changes left right and centre.

Lessons on that horse were always the most difficult.
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post #26 of 31 Old 10-19-2012, 06:58 AM
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I don't think that many people think the winning rider is the best.

At the lower levels, especially when you're young, there is a huge discrepancy between quality of horses and training.

The thing is though a good rider can ride a good or bad horse well, and the poor "passenger rider" can only ride a good horse well - so it works out in the end.
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post #27 of 31 Old 10-24-2012, 04:54 PM
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I have a good horse. He has evented under a professional rider. He has evented all 3 phases in a snaffle. He has jumped 4' competitively and done a huge amount of showing in other disciplines as well.

I have shown him in 18" baby eventing, 2'8" showjumping, and soon show hack classes. I showjump him in a snaffle but stadium and XC in either a kimblewick or a pelham based on how he is on the given day. For some reason stadium vs showjumping, stadium blows his brain and showjumping is fine. We're currently dressage-ing in a pelham to get him used to the action of it [double reins of course] for the upcoming show hack classes, because I don't trust him in group canters, and a pelham is more appropriate than a kimblewick for show hack classes.

We have won. We have placed. NONE of it has been purely on the merits of my good horse, if I screw up he goes horribly and he has bucked me off, bolted, refused and run out plenty of times because of one or another of my mess ups. He's also bolted a couple of times through no fault of mine, but as I learn more and ride him better, he bolts less and less often.

The BEST schoolmasters are the ones that, if you ask wrong, they don't do what you're asking.

I got to ride an Inter1 horse, one step down from grand prix. I got to ride him twice, and he was AMAZING. Very fancy horse, very expensive horse. Very LAZY horse. I could get him to work nicely on a circle in a working trot, but anything beyond the very basics, no chance, because I don't know how to ask, and I could not for the life of me comfortably ride his canter. The day after my second ride of him, I watched a girl ride him who couldn't have been more than 13 years old, and probably not even that. She was riding him in a double bridle, sitting his trot easily, and putting him through his paces through all his laterals. Tempi-changes, collection and extension, the works. Same horse, I swear - I got him out of the pasture and tacked him up for this girl, so I should know - but with two different riders, two COMPLETELY different results.

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My two cents... I do understand. Believe me, I understand. I have known many people in my life, both as a child/teen and adult rider, who lucked out with good mounts. Heck, I remember as a child entering schooling shows on a lesson horse and being thrilled to death when I was assigned the "easy" horse--the one that listened to leg cues and was an honest, good jumper. That horse certainly carried me to a few blue ribbons in equitation simply because he was awesome.

But you know what? At some point a person HAS to ride. Of course, all riders and horses are different. In any given class in a show, for instance, you're going to get seasoned horses, green horses, seasoned riders, and riders who are new to that division. A seasoned horse will certainly give a rider an edge, but that's still no guarantee. Sure they may win at first (see above about the schooling shows), but eventually they won't be able to advance any further without additional skills or training. It always catches up.

I agree about the other girl possibly feeling jarred on your OTTB. I have a 5yo OTTB, off the track less than 6 months. He sounds very similar to your mare. He can be a challenge for me to ride on occasion, but overall I think he's pretty easy-peasy because I know him so well. But several close friends of mine (who I consider to be good riders) find him difficult to ride. Why? Because he's different than what they're used to. No other reason.

So enjoy your horse. Enjoy the rider you are. Learn from all experiences.
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post #30 of 31 Old 11-03-2012, 09:41 AM
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I know what you mean.
There's a girl at the barn where I ride who's been riding for much less than I have. When she wanted to get into it, her parents bought her a nice horse, she got all the tack and clothes, lessons...but she boards her horse and rarely sees him except for once a week lessons. Someone else feeds him and takes care of him. But when it's time to ride she's the best one out there, mainly because her horse is amazing. Don't get me wrong-the trainer is really good, and the girl has excellent equitation, but I'm just not sure if she'd be as successful on a horse other than her own. Like I said, she's only been in this a few years, and hasn't really ridden other horses besides her own. Then there's me, on the other hand, been riding for longer, worked my way up to where I am, got my horse last year; he's a great horse that I love to death, but it's taken me a while to figure him out and we're stil working through some things. And I've ridden LOTS of different horses...
There's a show coming up at our local university where riders draw names of the horses we'll be riding, and me and her are going to be in it...we'll see how it goes, as this is her first time doing something like this.
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