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post #1 of 104 Old 02-04-2012, 10:24 PM Thread Starter
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Goosey cutting horses

I have something to share and I'd sure like to hear some opinions on this. Not that it's going to change my outlook, just want to see if I'm the only one that feels this way.

I've seen a trend in cutting horses that's getting more common. Goosiness beyond practicality. I mean, these horses are so jumpy you can't hardly touch them. I rode with cutters and turned back a little for em and I just can't see why it's necessary to have a horse so jumpy, you can't drop a coin on the floor without an explosion. I do realize they need to respond to a leg. I realize they need to do it quick. They're bred to be that way and breeders do a great job. My problem is when trainers won't spend any time teaching the animal that there's a difference, and they can be gentle on the ground. I believe they can know the difference, that a leg or spur means something, but everything that moves, shake, or vibrates doesn't mean jump. Maybe the trainers are thinking that horse needs that extra "edge" and we need to leave him jumpy, I don't know. I've ridden some good cow-bred colts and they're the most trainable horses I've rode. I've seen horses that would cut, then you can point them at a cow, shake a loop out, and rope one with no drama. These aren't the horses I'm talking about. Ranch horses that cut do enough other stuff that they know the difference. Is cutting at shows so specialized that we can't have a horse that's reasonably safe to be around? Do they have to be this explosive?

I'm really saying this from a farrier's perspective. It's a safety issue. I do actually like working on one that's a little scared. I can pet em through a shoeing job real easy. So far, I can't remember a cutting horse that was so treacherous, I didn't want to shoe it. BUT I do remember leaving a couple training barns because the trainer didn't like me getting the horse desensitized.

Now I don't mean I took them out in the arena and sacked them out like John Lyons. I mean I rubbed down their belly and hind legs for just long enough that they could kinda stand for me to shoe them. I did it because the horse was a danger to me and himself. (One place was on slick concrete. You can imagine trying to shoe a kicking, scrambling screwball on slick-finished concrete)

Now don't get the idea that I'm bashing cutting horses, I'm not. I'm talking about trainers who are ok with a dangerous animal as long as he works a cow good. Race horse trainers and owners are even worse, I just don't do as many of them.

I'm not a competitive cutter. Never had the desire or the skill. But I'd like to hear opinions and ideas on this from people who are.

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Subbing...want to see where this goes....

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Subbing...want to see where this goes....
It might go south...or worse, they might tell me to go to H3II
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It might go south...or worse, they might tell me to go to H3II

Whaaaat????

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OK fine, I will get the ball rolling....

My husband, before we got married was irritated with me, he came out to shoe my horse and was slightly mystified why a colt that could ride real nice for a 2 yr. Old be complete idiot come to getting his feet done. He ended up shoeing him upside down to get his first set of shoes on. My fault. I don't do a ton of groundwork. I do enough to get by and the rest just comes with time. Now he is the best out of all them to get his feet done, he just rode better first.

I am not going to lie , I kinda had the mentality that the feet was not my problem, that was the shoers job, husband broke me of that.

I still don't do a lot of groundwork, but at least you can pick up feet and get them shod...

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Wow that's weird. That's how me and my wife first met too.

I do think owners should get them good to work on, but in all honesty I end up doing a lot of it myself. And I don't mind doing a little training when I'm out shoeing. I realize that many of my customers aren't capable of really getting a horse decent to work on. And I don't ask a little old lady to do it for me.
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LOL, well actually I never asked him to shoe a horse until 6 months later after we had been together. I did not want him to think that was the reason I wanted to date him..lol
Date=free shoeing. That's a story for another time....it's the crap movies are made of...


But back to the subject, I never thought that "end"(the feet) was my "end". And I remember working for guys that it wasn't odd to have to twitch, lip or neck, to get a set of shoes on. These were usually young horses and by the time they were older they were fine for the most part....lol...

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Is this going to be one of these threads where it is just me and you...lol?

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Yup. Looks that way. I figgered for sure there'd be a cutting horse trainer with a loco horse that he didn't want fixed on here tonight to argue with.
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Yup. Looks that way. I figgered for sure there'd be a cutting horse trainer with a loco horse that he didn't want fixed on here tonight to argue with.

Well h3ll tater maybe he don't need shoes...ever...

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