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    02-05-2012, 01:05 AM
  #11
rob
Weanling
If you all don't mind,i'm going to cut in on this dance.i am a professional cutting horse trainer but I don't want to argue.i'm like you cc,i don't do alot of groundwork unless I see the need,but I do get my colts ready for the farrier and vet.but my horses are real jumpy to the move and touch,cause let's face it,if he's laid back or deadsided,he more than likely wont take you to the pay window.
     
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    02-05-2012, 01:14 AM
  #12
Trained
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Originally Posted by rob    
if you all don't mind,i'm going to cut in on this dance.i am a professional cutting horse trainer but I don't want to argue.i'm like you cc,i don't do alot of groundwork unless I see the need,but I do get my colts ready for the farrier and vet.but my horses are real jumpy to the move and touch,cause let's face it,if he's laid back or deadsided,he more than likely wont take you to the pay window.
LOL, not at all! Hoping you would....
     
    02-05-2012, 01:20 AM
  #13
rob
Weanling
I've trained some as to when they feel my leg to go out and hook him,he's already gone.he don't give me a chance to hook him,cause he's been trained to get there.
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    02-05-2012, 01:28 AM
  #14
Yearling
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Originally Posted by rob    
if you all don't mind,i'm going to cut in on this dance.i am a professional cutting horse trainer but I don't want to argue.i'm like you cc,i don't do alot of groundwork unless I see the need,but I do get my colts ready for the farrier and vet.but my horses are real jumpy to the move and touch,cause let's face it,if he's laid back or deadsided,he more than likely wont take you to the pay window.
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    02-05-2012, 01:30 AM
  #15
Showing
I don't know, man. Being who I am and doing what I do, I can appreciate a horse that can get down and suck back to get there, but I am not willing to sacrifice a horse's good nature for it.

AC, we've got a horse that is cutting bred that is that way. Every little thing you do on the ground and he thinks you are going to grow huge teeth and eat him. Getting shoes on him is almost an all-day ordeal and the shoer has to really understand horses to be able to get it done at all.

None of this has anything to do with his training/handling, he's been like this since I bought him as a birthday present for my Dad as a yearling. No amount of handling or training makes him any better, it's just the way he is and we just have to deal with it. I really hate it that he turned out this way but he and Dad still seem to fit together well. Plus, he's a very nice riding horse, you can do about anything you need to on him....except when what you need to do requires getting off and back on in a hurry.

Personally, I truly dislike the horse, if he were mine, he probably would have been a horseburger years ago....but ****, he can watch a cow.
     
    02-05-2012, 01:43 AM
  #16
rob
Weanling
So smrobs,i'm assuming you don't care for the jump at their own shadow type of horses.
     
    02-05-2012, 01:54 AM
  #17
Showing
Nope, not really.

I don't mind it so much on greenies, that's pretty much par for the course. But on a horse that's supposed to be broke, I expect to be able to handle them without being at risk of death every moment.

Maybe it's just me, but when it comes to a horses nature, my preference leans toward trustworthy rather than talented. If they have both, that's awesome, but I won't keep a horse I can't trust just because he's great at his job.

Mostly because there are horses out there that are both. Horses that do have good, solid natures and are still crazy talented.
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    02-05-2012, 02:00 AM
  #18
rob
Weanling
I agree,and it has to do with their handling and training.but i'll be honest,my preference is taking the jumpy athlete,cause I like aggressive horses.
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    02-05-2012, 02:10 AM
  #19
Yearling
Guys please understand too, I'm usually on here to aggravate people, but I'm being serious on this one. Yes, I think it would be fun to argue, but I might learn something from you guys. So far, three of the most knowledgeable people on here have posted and that's what I hoped would happen.

I think we all love to feel a good horse do a good job. I just wonder if anyone's ever put much though into this. You know, as horses get better at cutting, I think this could be a real problem.

Hypothetically, What would you think if a farrier rubbed you're horse down and just spent as long as it took to get a jumpy horse gentle enough to stand quiet? Would it make you mad? Do you think that horse is smart enough to know the difference between you and the farrier? Do you think that horse would kind of associate seeing a guy with a shoeing box and tools with rubbing and wollering, and then become quiet? I know how these horses are wired and I know how tough it is to overcome their tendencies.
     
    02-05-2012, 02:32 AM
  #20
Showing
Oh, I don't see any hint of argument here, just a good discussion of what we like and why .

Personally, I think it is a serious problem. Yeah, they might be great cutters, but if their disposition is so scattered, what job could they hope to have after their years of cutting? If they are that touchy, they wouldn't make good novice or youth horses (like many good cutters do when they start to slow down a bit and aren't at the top of their game anymore), they would never survive ranch work without stressing themselves into a constant state of panic, most of them wouldn't even make good trail horses because you can't trust them not to freak at every new thing that pops up.

Plus, people don't stop to think that not all farriers are like you and my brother, not all of them are willing to work with a horse that is difficult or skittish. There are a lot of farriers that will flat out refuse a horse that won't stand perfectly still the entire time.

For me, breeding/training for horses that are naturally so goosey that they pretty much can't have a life outside of the cutting pen is on par with breeding racehorses with crappy feet and chicken bones. Yep, they might be good at one particular job, but they they aren't worth a **** anywhere else.

The horse that I was discussing earlier, Pokey, wouldn't have had a chance with anyone that didn't match up to my Dad's knowledge and ability. Hell, I know I wouldn't have been able to get him broke. But, I also know that no matter how nice a horse he may be for us, we could never confidently sell him as a riding horse because somebody that knew just a little bit of something about nice horses would get themselves killed trying to mess with him.

I don't consider that a good trait, even if he is a crackerjack cutter .
     

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