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post #21 of 104 Old 02-05-2012, 01:33 AM
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I personally don't put my farrier in a worry position with any horse,cause whether you're shoeing him or training him,if your uncomfortable you're not going to focus on putting 100% into it.provided the farrier is alert and not real sloppy with his tools,same goes for the trainer.

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post #22 of 104 Old 02-05-2012, 01:38 AM
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but smrobs,after some of these horses leave the cut pen,that's when these traders swoop in on them and make good sorters or penners out of them for an experienced rider.

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But, there are only so many riders in the world with the experience needed for those types of horses. I know lots of ranch hands and lots of cowboys, right off hand, I can think of maybe 1 who might have the talent to deal with a horse like Pokey. And these guys aren't schmucks when it comes to horses.

I do wonder how many of them get passed from home to home to home because people don't want to deal with the screwy temperament.

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alot get passed on,because the big word pride is in the way.people sort once or twice and think they need a top notch horse to win.when they realize it's too much horse,it'too late and they either screw him up or they have to sell it.

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Smrobs- Yes there are only so many farriers willing to take on a jumpy one. I pretty much agree with EVERYTHING you've said so far.

I will add too, that I will work with bad ones still. I'll spend all day if that's what it takes. But it's under MY terms. I use the techniques that I need to use because I know how to NOT get hurt. But the second the owner protests, I pack up. I don't hardly ever get mad, I tell them if they deny me the right to do my job safely, I'll go elsewhere. (You can do that when there's not many good shoers in the area).

I can think of 2 places I was at where I fixed the horse and made them good to shoe without the owner/trainer there. They were ok to work on after that, but I'm pretty sure if the owner would have seen it, they would've got mad. But I never heard if the horse lost it's "edge" or not.
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I can't express a direct opinion on cutting horses as I am not a cutting horse person, but as a general rule, I feel there are many instances where over-specialization has been at the expense of the soundness of a breed - or sub-breed, if you will.

However, while some over specialization is blatantly obvious, such as halter Quarterhorses that can barely waddle into the arena tip-toeing on their tiny feet, and racing bred Thoroughbreds with insufficient bone and joints to support their weight, the line between specialization and over specialization is both grey and subjective. It makes for interesting debates, but because it is so subjective I doubt there will ever be a consensus...
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Nope, not really.


Maybe it's just me, but when it comes to a horses nature, my preference leans toward trustworthy rather than talented. If they have both, that's awesome, but I won't keep a horse I can't trust just because he's great at his job.
TOTALLY AGREE. My gelding, Scooby, is much like your dad's horse, and has earned his keep here as my daughter's barrel horse, but his nutjob personality is not for me... and while that " fire" in him works for his discipline, I would much rather ride my sweet and talented mare...

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ace,with your last statement,i would have to say that's a matter of opinion.

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Ace I agree. You can find lots of spectacular cutting and barrel racing buck-offs on YouTube.

Here's my philosophy at least on "fast" horses:

Just because a horse has it's head in the sky, fighting your tie-down and pawing the air, running through the bit, that doesn't mean he's fast. That means he's a runaway. I have a horse that will outrun him and then you can stop and drop the reins on his neck and he'll stand still.

I saw Martha josey at the nfr a few years ago riding a stud I think, and she would fly through the pattern, then pull him up and walk out.
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post #30 of 104 Old 02-05-2012, 10:40 PM
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I must be lost,i thought our subject here was goosey cutting horses.

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