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    01-06-2012, 01:56 PM
  #1
Weanling
Grade= bad?

I was reading in the horse breeding forum and I saw several people state that bringing a grade horse into the world wasn't a good idea. Why?

I ask because I have 2 grade horses. Registration didn't even occur to me. It simply wasn't important. One of them is full blood paso fino, just not registered.

Maybe I'm different. We have had several purebred dogs that we never bothered to register. Just not that important to us.
     
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    01-06-2012, 02:10 PM
  #2
Trained
When ever I get my horse I don't care if they are pure bred or not
But they have to be at least 15hh

Some people care if the horse is registered if the intend to breed or show
Or sadly for status
     
    01-06-2012, 02:16 PM
  #3
Showing
Furba, people were talking about breeding grade horses, not owning/buying. While both my mares registered I rode some awesome grade horses, and if when I was looking for the horse I'd come across the one I like I'd just buy it.

As for breeding the grade horse you never know what the lineage is and what genes it's going to pass on foal. Plus if the person breeds with selling it in mind there is no much of market on grades (I'm talking about real money profit including). And (unfortunately) the majority of bred grade horses are simply not a breeding quality to start with (although I've seen some really good looking grade horses that produced nice, well-conformed babies that had show career later on).
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    01-06-2012, 02:21 PM
  #4
Showing
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Originally Posted by furbabymum    
Just not that important to us.
Registering horses is important for several reasons.

One, if you have no clue what the animal's bloodlines are, you have no idea whether or not it may have genetic issues. Tracing bloodlines will give you that information.

Two, keeping track of performance bred horses is important, especially since many people want to know what they were bred FOR and WHY. Registrations are important for this, because you can trace performance animals through bloodlines.

Three, what if you as the owner have a financial crisis and need to get rid of the animals? Registered animals are worth more and considered more desirable by people for the reasons I listed above.

Even just as a backyard owner/trail rider, I want to know my horses' parentage, since that will tell me things about genetic anomalies I need to look for, and their suitability for certain disciplines.

It's not about 'snob appeal', and even someone who rides just as a hobby should be concerned about the things I've listed above. I see no reason why a registerable animal shouldn't be registered.

There's nothing wrong with buying a grade, but if you're deliberately breeding unknown to unknown, then you're being irresponsible.
     
    01-06-2012, 02:25 PM
  #5
Weanling
I'm not thinking about breeding. Thought never crossed my mind. So don't want to do that. I just like reading all the things on the different forums.

The paso was a neglect case. He was rescued. We had to have the brand inspectors do a huge investigation to even get him as he'd never been inspected before. So, I think that's why he's not registered. Doesn't matter to me though, he's great as a horse. Honestly, I would have bought them anyway. Papers or no.

I was just interested in why it was important. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Registering horses is important for several reasons.

One, if you have no clue what the animal's bloodlines are, you have no idea whether or not it may have genetic issues. Tracing bloodlines will give you that information.

Two, keeping track of performance bred horses is important, especially since many people want to know what they were bred FOR and WHY. Registrations are important for this, because you can trace performance animals through bloodlines.

Three, what if you as the owner have a financial crisis and need to get rid of the animals? Registered animals are worth more and considered more desirable by people for the reasons I listed above.

Even just as a backyard owner/trail rider, I want to know my horses' parentage, since that will tell me things about genetic anomalies I need to look for, and their suitability for certain disciplines.

It's not about 'snob appeal', and even someone who rides just as a hobby should be concerned about the things I've listed above.

I see no reason why a registerable animal shouldn't be registered. If you're breeding unknown to unknown, then you're being irresponsible.
     
    01-06-2012, 02:29 PM
  #6
Showing
Owning a grade horse and breeding grade horses are two different things.

Depending on purpose, a grade horse can be great. I've met & seen quite a few nice grade horses. If you want to show at a breed show level, owning grades eliminates that possibility.

Breeding them is a bad idea for many reasons. Genetic diseases, unknown lineage gives no baseline of what a prospective foal could be, you can't track performance history, the value is much less, and there are tons of grade horses out there that can be bought for next to nothing so there isn't reason to create more. Breeding is a crap shoot even with registered horses and extensive knowledge on their backgrounds, with grades it's much more so.
     
    01-06-2012, 02:34 PM
  #7
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Registering horses is important for several reasons.

One, if you have no clue what the animal's bloodlines are, you have no idea whether or not it may have genetic issues. Tracing bloodlines will give you that information.

Two, keeping track of performance bred horses is important, especially since many people want to know what they were bred FOR and WHY. Registrations are important for this, because you can trace performance animals through bloodlines.

Three, what if you as the owner have a financial crisis and need to get rid of the animals? Registered animals are worth more and considered more desirable by people for the reasons I listed above.

Even just as a backyard owner/trail rider, I want to know my horses' parentage, since that will tell me things about genetic anomalies I need to look for, and their suitability for certain disciplines.

It's not about 'snob appeal', and even someone who rides just as a hobby should be concerned about the things I've listed above. I see no reason why a registerable animal shouldn't be registered.

There's nothing wrong with buying a grade, but if you're deliberately breeding unknown to unknown, then you're being irresponsible.
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Originally Posted by MHFoundation Quarters    
Owning a grade horse and breeding grade horses are two different things.

Depending on purpose, a grade horse can be great. I've met & seen quite a few nice grade horses. If you want to show at a breed show level, owning grades eliminates that possibility.

Breeding them is a bad idea for many reasons. Genetic diseases, unknown lineage gives no baseline of what a prospective foal could be, you can't track performance history, the value is much less, and there are tons of grade horses out there that can be bought for next to nothing so there isn't reason to create more. Breeding is a crap shoot even with registered horses and extensive knowledge on their backgrounds, with grades it's much more so.
Took the words right out of my mouth, er keyboard.
     
    01-06-2012, 03:22 PM
  #8
Showing
I, like others, have zero issues with people owning, buying, or riding grade horses. Heck most of my own personal horses are grades, my favorite among those being a Mustang, which is basically the most grade a horse can get .

However, breeding a grade mare or stud is a bad idea for the reasons everyone else mentioned. Grades are already a dime a dozen in this market, literally, so what would be the point of creating even more of them. Heck, I can browse my local Craigslist or go to just about any auction and pick up a registered, well bred horse for $500 or less, and that horse would have much more marketability after a bit of training, so why would I want to breed for a grade foal that would cost me up in the thousands before it was even old enough to ride .
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    01-06-2012, 03:39 PM
  #9
Trained
But on the other side of the coin...

First I 100% agree that taking this unremarkable grade horse and breeding it to something just to produce a foal because it's cute, is a bad idea, no question.

BUT

I have no problem in people having a breeding program where they are breeding for a type of horse, rather than a breed, and are using different bloodlines to achieve it.

First crosses, hell even 3rd or 4th crosses, CAN produce some great athletes, but they can also produce some disasters, so it makes the breeding gamble a game with even bigger odds. As with many people my ideas were affected by my early upbringing, and my early riding time was spent in an area where gymkhana ponies were the thing that we all wanted, and these were generally a cross between a UK native pony, and a TB. Usually a native mare and a TB stallion, it often produces short fast, fairly level headed ponies that were great for games.
     
    01-06-2012, 08:39 PM
  #10
Banned
Quote:
Originally Posted by furbabymum    
I was reading in the horse breeding forum and I saw several people state that bringing a grade horse into the world wasn't a good idea. Why?

I ask because I have 2 grade horses. Registration didn't even occur to me. It simply wasn't important. One of them is full blood paso fino, just not registered.

Maybe I'm different. We have had several purebred dogs that we never bothered to register. Just not that important to us.
Different people have different definitions of "grade". To me, a horse that is the result of breeding two horses of the same breed, and whose ancestry is known, is not a grade horse. Registration does not make a Quarterhorse. A sire and dam that are both Quarterhorses makes a Quarterhorse. Therefore, I don't consider your Paso a "grade", although some that define a horse by its papers might.

As for breeding, my personal opinion is there is nothing wrong with breeding FOR a grade - some of the best horses around are crosses...but the parents should be registered and their ancestry known so the product can be reasonably predicted. I absolutely do not advocate using grades as breeding stock, nor do I advocate breeding ANY horse with unkown ancestry.

Just my personal opinions...
     

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