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    View Poll Results: What is your dominate hand and which hand do you use your whip in?
    I'm right handed and ride with the whip in my right hand 21 33.33%
    I'm right handed and ride with the whip in my left hand 2 3.17%
    I'm left handed and ride with the whip in my left hand 3 4.76%
    I'm left handed and ride with the whip in my right hand 0 0%
    I switch so it's always in my inside hand 28 44.44%
    I switch so it's always in my outside hand 9 14.29%
    Voters: 63. You may not vote on this poll

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        11-01-2013, 11:40 PM
    Green Broke
    BMS your response to what would happen if you actually hit your horse. Mexico, that explanes it all. You don't hit

    Spurs I don't use them as such but the style I have is only a piece of metal wraped around the boot all it does is add a hard slightly raised surface to the heal. I must be lucky, perhaps my horse wants to go for a ride hence I don't have to manny issues but the I do know if I hit him with a crop or whip, I'd beat you to mexico and I'm thousands of miles away. That is providing the super glue on the seat of my jeans did not give way.
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        11-01-2013, 11:53 PM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by Corporal    
    Well, Stan, I disagree. Bsms has shown that spending lots and lots of time with your horse AND using a standard method of impulsion--the "whip"--isn't abuse. My horses, who were ALSO my lesson horses, understood that when a student flicked a whip out the smack came afterwards, so they would stop tuning out the rider. Horses have better memories than an elephant, but are, perhaps, more forgiving.
    Horses do NOT reason. Sometimes a horse will take really good care of you when you make the wrong decision, but mostly they do not. It is the same argument that people use to avoid training a horse to load in a trailer, or, in your case to reason that everyone doesn't need to abuse a horse with a "bit."
    I do not think I will change your opinion, so I won't try. But, PLEASE, don't make the rest of us into animal abusers bc we choose to use methods of training that have worked for millenia.

    Horses do not reason and that is something most all would agree with but. My friend has a horse that, and this I have seen will pick its way through the frame work in the front of a trailer. It worked out where to place its legs to get through the maze of framing. That took some thinking the same horse will spend time undoing ropes then walk on up to its owner and stand beside her. I know the knots are not overly completated but it had to work out how to undo the knot and remember the sequence. So perhaps when we say they have no power of reasoning that is because we measure every thing in human terms. Food for thought.

    I also never said or indicated those that use whips are animal abusers I commented on my experiences and that I don't use one, and my reasoning for not.
        11-02-2013, 12:13 AM
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    Horse and riders having fun after a long ride. Over a hundred horse set out on the ride. I could not go as it was my first day with my new horse and he was not fit enough. However some photos were taken. The last photo is of interest as the couple had two horses with similar markings. The surprising thing to me with the horses was the camp was a couple of hundred yeards from the river they were swiming in, and when the owners they left both horses walked behind no lead ropes. When they got close to the camp the horse walked forward and went straight to their float. They ignored all others, it was an education to watch them and some thing to strive for with the training and behaviour of my horse. Onle one crop in the first photo. The western riders on the whole did not use them.




        11-02-2013, 06:39 PM
    WOW , so many people use a whip. While I've never used one while riding (I'd have injured myself probably) I'm impressed that so many people apparently use them. I've never seen one used by Dressage riders anywhere (things in the Dressage world must have changed since the 60's). Of course my Dressage instructor had a "whip" (didn't look like one to me ) that was over 3' long that she used from the ground. Didn't have any thong though. It was more like a real long switch *(at least that's what it always reminded me of), but she called it a whip. Didn't really "crack" it, but it "swished" real well . Now if I'd used her "Dressage whip" while riding I could have scratched my horses back feet with it. Come to think of it I've never actually seen (in person) anyone use a whip while riding. Although I have seen footage of Australian riders using those long handled whips. I could see using one of those and not smacking myself or my horse (that handle keeps the thong far enough out), but for the US style whips the handles are too short for me to feel comfortable using one while on a horse. I've used them to move cattle while on foot though (small areas are sometimes easier to work dismounted with a whip vs on a horse). Of course if we'd had those long handled Australian whips on hand over here back in the 70's I'd have been glad to have had one. I'll bet with that AND the horse I could have made believers out of even the most obstinate cows with a lot less work .

    I have, however, used a riding crop. Still have one or two somewhere (used one last year). With new horses I still find a crop useful to give a tickle when they freeze up and need an easy "start" reminder, but I prefer to abandon them after a point (dislike carrying to many "extras" that I don't really need). Never had a "hand" preference. One works as well as the other. Later I'll just use the end of rein if needed.
        11-02-2013, 07:54 PM
    I use a dressage whip now on every greenie I ride. It's an aid they are accustomed to, they know what it's all about since I use one in my groundwork ( not a dressage whip, but they are used to a whip), however they are not in the least intimidated by it. One the first ride I know I can wave it all around from the saddle, switch sides, and rub them all over. However a light tap has them moving off respectfully.

    Why not use a whip? A greenie isn't going to be perfect getting off your leg, even if you have them moving off where your leg would be in the saddle o the gorund it won't be perfect. I use a dressage whip to help them figure out what my leg means. I want them to disengage their hindquarters? I'll slide my leg back and lightly press, if they don't move i'll tap on their hindquarters with the whip. When they move, I release pressure.

    I also use it for teaching side passing and all kinds of other things. Once the horse understands and will move respectfully off my leg I phase the whip out.
        11-03-2013, 01:27 AM
    Originally Posted by Stan    
    Horses do not reason and that is something most all would agree with but.
    Not me. I think horses can reason, but in horse terms, not human ones. Of course they don't do it all the time, but neither do humans. Indeed, I have run across all too many humans who display less reasoning ability than the average horse.

    But the main reason I wouldn't want to try to use a crop is that I'm just not coordinated enough to manage one, and the reins, and do other stuff with my hands. That's really what I meant about cowboys not using them: they need their hands for other things.
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        11-03-2013, 02:46 AM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by jamesqf    
    Not me. I think horses can reason, but in horse terms, not human ones. Of course they don't do it all the time, but neither do humans. Indeed, I have run across all too many humans who display less reasoning ability than the average horse.

    But the main reason I wouldn't want to try to use a crop is that I'm just not coordinated enough to manage one, and the reins, and do other stuff with my hands. That's really what I meant about cowboys not using them: they need their hands for other things.

    James I do believe horse have an ability to reason.
    Take a horse into a stony bottomed stream and give it its head. The horse will generally look down and place its hooves, not just stumble blindly forward. Is that not reasoning.
        11-03-2013, 04:19 AM
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    Originally Posted by Stan    
    My horse is not botherd by a whip in hand just it being used on him. I often ride with 100 or more horses setting out on a trek and whips are rearly seen. Even at the ranch horse clubs I have attended whips are rearly seen.

    If a horse has a moment of miss behaviour then it is time out allowing the moment to pass.

    You can ride along side my horse with a whip he will not be bothered but if you use it on him, look out, not only from the horse but also from me. We don't need to inflict pain or fear onto the horse to get it to respond.

    One lady thought she knew it all, and as my horse Stella would not go forward came up behind but to one side and landed a wack on the rump. Stella backed into her and I also gave her a piece of my mind. This knowing person did not take the time to work out why the horse would not go forward she just reacted with a whip.

    The reason the horse would not go forward was a dog was laying infront of the horse and the horse was working out what to do and I was giving the horse support by not showing any concern but just waiting for her to get her head around the problem.

    Whips are not required. In the circle of riders I spend most of my time with we train our horses to respond without a whip.

    If a longe is required they are never hit with it. It is used as an extention of my arm.

    So getting my horse used to a whip incase someone else has one, perhaps the someone else might consider changing the way they treat the horse.

    It is absolutely NOT acceptable for one rider to whip another riders horse,! Unacceptable,

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        11-03-2013, 10:23 AM
    "Whips are not required"...except for when they are. For example: There is a place near here where a trail enters a wash. The wash has several narrow spots and the bushes along the sides of the wash restrict the view. Mia doesn't like the wash. She isn't exactly afraid of it, but it makes her uncomfortable.

    If we are in the rear, she'll enter the wash without complaint. If she is in the lead, she balks. Not because it is unsafe, and not because she is afraid. She has been thru that section hundreds of times. She just doesn't like it.

    But it is hard to trail ride in southern Arizona without ever using a wash. So if she balks, I'll flick the leather strap on my own leg first. If that isn't enough, then I'll flick it on her shoulders. That is enough to get her moving again.

    If she is genuinely afraid, no whipping will move her forward. But when she is reluctant, a flick on the shoulders beats me sitting on her back and flailing away with my heels on her sides.

    I know she doesn't like that 200 yard stretch of wash. She never will. But that is the best route to state-owned land. And besides, I don't want HER to decide what trails we go on. She isn't smart enough to make good decisions on that. Once in the wash, she is OK. But she doesn't get to choose to refuse:

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        11-03-2013, 02:03 PM
    I was always taught to hold the whip with my inside hand. Although I haven't used a whip for a while as my boy doesn't need it.

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