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    10-14-2010, 06:27 PM
A Hard Decision

This isn't a sale ad or anything, but more of an announcement I guess.

For a while now I have pondered whether or not I should sell Lera. She is a beautiful filly, and so friendly, but now that we've moved it has become increasingly difficult to work with her. We don't have a roundpen, and probably won't have one until next spring or summer. I don't want her just sitting there and getting worse until then. I think she could be a wonderful show horse, maybe not top of the line, but a show horse nonetheless. She is built very well, has an awesome pedigree, and is a beautiful mover...not to mention she's cute. I just don't have access to the facilities that used to when I started working with her, and I just don't see myself being able to do anything with her. I'm completely on my own here. I love getting advice from everyone on the forum, but reading the words and actually having someone in front of you showing you how to do things are completely different. I would love to have someone help me train her, or take her somewhere for training, but I can't afford that right now. She deserves more than what I can give her, and there is just no sense in me keeping her here without a job to give her.
So now I have come to the decision that I am going to offer her for sale or free lease. I don't think anyone is going to lease her, but it is worth a try. The problem I am running into right now is how much to offer her for. Not to mention her grandsire who is DreamFinder. I know for a fact she would be an easy horse to train if someone had the room and facilities to do so. She is such a wonderful horse, and it truly kills me to think of selling her, but I don't feel I have a choice. I am in no hurry to sell her for a quick buck, so if I have to keep her for a while to get a good price for her, I will. More than anything, though, I just want her to go to a great home.

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    10-14-2010, 07:04 PM
Awwww....I don't know if I could sell her...not offering advice as I don't have any...just feel sad for you as its obviously not a decision you really want to make by the sounds of it...
    10-14-2010, 07:33 PM
Green Broke
Just make sure you are making the right decision. Some horses are irreplaceable, and its not until later that you regret selling them.

How old is she?

People always talk about "wasting" horses. I do not get it. Horses do not really like competing, they are happy sitting a paddock eating grass, that is what horses have done forever, and they'll continue to do that. The horse doesn't feel wasted, there are tonnes of other great horses around so other people around you don't feel the horse is wasted. In fact, you are the only one who feels the horse is wasted. It may have unrealised potential, but most horses do, and most people do. The only thing that it is wasting is your money and the potential monetary value of the horse.

From this forum I notice that people in the US tend to break horses pretty early. I don't know how old Lera is but waiting another year isn't that big a deal. Horses here are often broken around 3 but some people wait to 4, and others to 5 if the horse is immature. If you really like the horse, letting it "waste" in the paddock for another year is not that big of a problem.

Although you mention not being able to train it. If this is the real reason you are selling it - well then okay. Some people don't feel confident enough to train young horses and there is nothing wrong with that.

Make sure it is what you want to do. I've sold horse and later wished I hadn't.
    10-14-2010, 07:55 PM
The main reason is because she has a few issues due to not being worked with much before I bought her. I don't know how to fix these problems, and I don't know how to train. It'd be different if I had someone around here to help me, but I don't... I honestly don't want to sell her, but I can't do anything with her here. I just don't know what to do.
    10-15-2010, 09:08 AM
Green Broke
If you really don't want to sell her then don't. I don't mean to be harsh but reading your posts it just feels like you don't want to sell her. The key to horses is confidence. What problems are you having?
    10-15-2010, 09:53 AM
Keep her for the year I say do gound work go for walks etc build the bond.
Then through the year put a bit of money aside and hopefully you will have enough for lessons or to get 6days on her.
If you don't want to sell her iv a feeling you will regret it.

Over winter leave he rout with a round bale and let her grow and mature you will bring back in a different horse I bet.
    10-15-2010, 01:41 PM
She doesn't lead well, is herd bound, and gets very very nervous when outside of the pasture. She won't focus on anything or stand still, she spooks a lot even when nothing is going on. It doesn't seem like she has any respect either. She'll walk all over you.
These are problems that I just don't know how to fix. She does very well when she's worked in a round pen or arena and can focus on the person working with her. Since I can't seem to help these problems, my family is pressuring me to get rid of her since she can't be ridden. They don't think I'll ever be able to ride her, so that doesn't help.
    10-16-2010, 06:07 PM
Would it be possible for you to get a trainer out, just to help you get started? Any barns you could swap stall cleanings for horse training instruction? Any experienced horse owners in your area that could help you out?

For the longest time, I was "too nice" to my horses. In exchange for this, I got walked over, bucked off, bitten, and injured. I loved my horses, but that isn't enough. Horses need a leader--I know it was very hard for me to gain my horses' respect for the first time. I believe they thought of me as a joke...I only asked them to do things...they never had to follow through with them. Once you have your horse's respect, all of the obnoxious and dangerous behaviors decrease.

I'm a big advocate for natural horsemanship training because it works for me and my horses. The simple principle--the dominant moves the submissive--is what natural horsemanship is about. It's not about being nice all the time or demanding things of the horse constantly. It is developing a balance where the horse will work for you and respect you as a leader.

If you have a larger pasture, you can cheaply create a round pen our of $2 fiberglass step-in posts and electric tape (you may not need to electrify it if it is in an enclosed area, depending on the horse).

EDIT: If riding her makes you nervous, I advice you to not think about getting on her. Look toward smaller goals, such as picking up her feet nicely or standing tied. It is much easier to see how much progress you are making when you look at all of the little milestones.
    10-16-2010, 06:38 PM
I really wish I lived near a place that I could go to, but that seems to be a part of the problem.
I don't really have the problem of being too nice I don't think, as I do own a stallion who was my first horse, and you need to show him who is boss. With my filly it is different. I do wish I could ride her, but anything would be an improvement at this point. She wasn't taught to lead very well when she was young. I think it was just enough to get her from place to place on the farm, but they didn't do anything to make her respect space or anything like that. She walks all over me, runs into me, and tilts her head and tries pulling away. When I am trying to just make her stand, she'll constantly fidget and move around, pivoting her butt away and rubbing on me. She's a lot better in the pasture, but the moment you take her outside the fence, she turns into a completely different horse. She won't stand still for longer than ten seconds, and out of nowhere she'll spook at nothing and start trotting or cantering in a circle as if I'm lunging her. This is what she does the whole time I have her out, and it is never a pleasant experience. I can do nothing with her, nothing at all.
So I give up and put her back in the pasture. She wins.
I wish I had the room for even a cheap round pen, but it would take up too much space in our pasture.

This whole experience has done some good though, I'll admit. It made me give myself a kick in the butt as to what I want to do in my life. I want to become a trainer, and eventually own my own facility where I can train, show, and breed quality horses. It will take some time, but this is what I want to do. I've already started looking at a bunch of places that offer online courses without taking the typical college classes that don't offer me very much. I can't relocate, so this is my best option.
I am going to do this.
    10-17-2010, 02:14 AM
Green Broke
Where I keep my horse there is a round yard in a paddock. Its just left open when not in use the horses can graze in there.

You need to show her who's boss. There is so much more you have to do before you can start riding. If you don't already, start using a rope halter. Horses pretty much ignore you with with standard webbing ones. Also have a long Natural Horsemanship style rope. Teach her to yield all ways, but teach backwards first, and if she ever tries to rush into your space you send her backwards, away from you. Do not let her come back to you until you tell her to.

I don't know what I would do but if she doesn't stand still i'd probably send her trotting in a small circle around me then asking her to stand again. If she moves I'd make her trot all over again.

If you don't want to put the work into her then sell her, but to be a good trainer you need to have experience with it.

At the very least make sure she is good on the ground, otherwise it might be hard to find a good home for her.

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