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post #1 of 35 Old 12-13-2010, 11:50 PM Thread Starter
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Hard decisions, advice?

So as some of you know, I have my gelding Bundy up for sale and so when he is sold I am setting out to buy my 'perfect' horse. (Or as close as I can get). Which is:

Australian Stock Horse mare/filly, under 15hh, excellent show/breeding quality (I.e. pretty and correct), and hopefully with some of my favourite ASH bloodlines, namely anything from the Abdul line.

So I have just come back from a trip to a stud to see what they have to offer. Fantastic day and they have some amazing horses and handsome stallions .

There were two yearling fillies I went to see. Both are grandaughters of Abdul which is very rare nowdays (He was alive a while ago - Their sire, the son of Abdul, was around 27 when he sired them). Both not expected to make 15hh. Both brown, one has a star/stripe.

The plain brown had a cute baby face but a big forehead. Beautiful neck, nice short back, good shoulder. Average movement but good honest temperament.

The filly with white on her face has a very showy head exceot for a bump on the nose. He neck isn't as nice as the other fillies, and she is a bit bigger, but she has A-MAZ-ING movement. She just floats at the trot.

Both fillies have had minimal handling and had only been in from the paddock for three days. Both a bit stand offish due to that, the white face a little more so. The filly with the white face is out of a mare who is a full sister to their stallion who I really like.

Then - After chatting to the man about my intentions, he showed me another filly I had enquired about via email but was told wasn't for sale. Well - They will sell her to a good show home only.

2yo filly, out of a stallion of theirs who just died of snakebite who was a grandson of Abdul and out of a son of Abdul I reallllly like. I didn't know he had died and was looking forward to seeing him. She is out of a full sister to their most successful show horses - All royal winners, black, and beautiful. She probably won't make 15hh. She is black and absolutely stunning - One of the highest quality horses i've seen in the flesh. Beautiful refined head with a kind eye, amazingly set on neck which I am a stickler for, good wither and sloped shoulder, she is fine and in proportion but still strong and substantial... She is green broken with great foundations. he hopped on and showed me w/t/c stop, back, and good foundations for rollbacks. She lays down, picks up feet, loads, etc.

Basically she is absolutely everything I am after.

The conundrum? She is twice the price of the other fillies, understandably.

They are around $5,000, she is $10,000. $10,000 is what I am hoping to get for Bundy - So basically it is my entire budget, IF I get the whole amount for him. If I sell my saddle also it will be another $3,500 but I would have to buy a new saddle for her, if not then I would already have a show saddle.

What would you do? Go for one of the younger fillies, have money left over for savings/training/new gear? Or go for the 2yo filly and maybe struggle to get some savings built back up? I do have more money in the bank, and would probably sell some saddles and such to make some more cash. This horse is meant to be the one I keep for a long time - The first horse I will have bought without thinking of re-selling - I've worked my way up from a $2,000 horse to get to this point. (And I am darn proud that I can even conosider spending this much on a horse at the age of 20!).

So give me your opinions!

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post #2 of 35 Old 12-14-2010, 12:01 AM
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Wow, congratulations on even having the option .

It is really all a matter of what you really want to do and how fast you want to do it. The yearlings are cheaper and they might grow into some of what they are lacking conformation wise, but you have at least another 1 1/2 to 2 years before you can really ride them much or do hard work on them, then add another however long for training and such. But, if you wanted to do all the work from day 1, one of them might be right.

On the other hand, the 2yo has a good start and could possibly be ready and winning shows in, what, a year? Plus, you know that she has the conformation that you are looking for and the bloodlines you want.

It's really a matter of whether you want to spend a little now and spend more over the long run or spend more now and spend less over the long run.

Or as folks in my area are so fond of saying "It's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other".

That whole rambling thing probably didn't help you at all as I am sure you already thought of all that. If it was me, personally, I think I would go for the 2 year old. Though she is more expensive now, she's much closer to showing age and already has a good start under saddle, plus has the most ideal conformation of the 3.

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post #3 of 35 Old 12-14-2010, 12:04 AM
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Honestly, go with your gut. Not the best advice but it's what has worked for me.
If she's (the black filly) the long term investment emotionally, financially and will get you where you want to be then she's the right choice. When I was competing I spent $12K on an ISH which was the right thing for me to do in my horse career at the time. I didn't have other responsibilities lol! Now, the thought of spending that on a horse makes my heart pound and my skin break out in a cold sweat LMAO!! Anyway, back on track... You could probably negotiate somewhat. And then you'll have some leftover from selling Bundy to put toward training. I hope that made sense.

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post #4 of 35 Old 12-14-2010, 12:13 AM
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For me the thought of spending that much on any horse is insane! Granted my family struggles with money on a daily basis. I think for you getting the expensive filly may be the best bet. In your explanation you already seem sort of set on getting her. She might be just right for you. Also see if hey can lower the price a little, its worth a try.
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I would personally go for the 2 year old. Shes got the best conformation, the best bloodlines, shes been handled and shes started.

Money wise, think of how much it is going to cost to get a $5k yearling to where she is at. A years worth of board/feed/hay/training/time. At the end of that, you still wont have the $10K filly...

Not to downplay the others. I am positive that you wouldn't even be looking or considering them if they weren't the definition of lovely. But it does sound as if you like the 3rd the best.
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For me the thought of spending that much on any horse is insane!
Oh trust me, I feel totally insane! My first two horses cost $800 and $950! I've worked my way up, buying horses, putting the work in and selling them. I never knew how far I would get but I happened upon Bundy who was a bit of a diamond in the rough and who made this possible. There is no way me or my family would be able to afford that much any other way!

Money wise, think of how much it is going to cost to get a $5k yearling to where she is at.
That is definitely something I have thought about. It would end up similar - Even though I don't have to pay for board and very little feed, I want to do things well this time so I would be paying a professional to break it in, as well as investing in good show tack. My goal is to place at the national show, so it won't be a cheap venture either way. The only benefit with the yearlings is that it will be spread out and give me a chance to be earning money in the meantime, instead of one big hit.

I guess i'm just freaking out a bit at the thought of spending so much on a horse. The first thing I will do if I do is to get good insurance on her.

I didn't have other responsibilities lol!
This is a good point and something I hadn't thought of yet. This is definitely the best time for me to blow so much money on a horse - I don't have a mortgage or any dependants. I would feel terribly guilty if I bought a house with my boyfriend, happened into $10k and spent it all on a horse, lol!

But, if you wanted to do all the work from day 1, one of them might be right.
While this has always been me, and even know it is tempting, I know that I am nowhere near at the level I would need to be to produce the type of show horse I am wanting. So if I did get one of the yearlings I would pay for a professional to start it, and probably a few refresher visits throughout the first year or two. I need instruction to bring myself up to the level of any of these horses, i'm not going to ruin such talented horses by being stubborn like I always have! Lol.

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post #7 of 35 Old 12-14-2010, 01:43 AM Thread Starter
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Not the best photo of her (She is 100X more stunning in real life) but here is the 2yo filly:

And the two yearlings in paddock condition (They had a haircut when I saw them - manes hogged, and looked much nicer):

*Sigh* It's so hard to resist those adorable baby faces! I wish I could take them all!

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It sounds to me like you've already made up your mind. ;)

I'd go for the 2 year old - she sounds way more suited to you.
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I have to say, they're all pretty but the black filly definitely stands out.

Horses are like therapy ~ and almost as expensive
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They're all absolutely gorgeous!

Personally, I would want a horse that I can start riding and training sooner, which is why I'm pointed to the 2-yr old. She also seems like the nicer horse. If I had 10k left over from selling a horse, I would invest it all in the best horse I could get, personally. If you sell or trade in the saddle, you could purchase another saddle that fits her.

I know people who think it's silly and ridiculous, but I truly believe that when a horse comes along that's perfect, it's meant to be. jm2c
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