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    10-22-2012, 10:30 PM
  #1
Foal
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Hey I'm Claire and I am new to horseforum. I needed a place to talk to other owners or want to be owners like myself about problems or questions. I am only thirteen years old but I have ALWAYS had a strange love for horses. As most girls dreams I want a horse. But its a different type of feeling. Its not just something I want it is something I feel like I wont be complete until I have. Any true horse lover can sure relate. But I need help on convincing my mom. I have ALWAYS longed for a horse and she knows that but she says that it is to expensive. I agree it is expensive but if you can get board for the price that I will, and the place where I would board is in the back of my neighborhood, I think that it might be worth it. I have been taking lessons at InnisFree Farm for about 3 months now. I havent always had the wealthiest life but now that I can take lessons and we arent struggling anymore with money, my life is much better. Now it may seem as if I am telling you my life story which I kinda of am when it comes to horses but I really need help. I spend hours on end at the stables riding or cleaning or just sitting in the stall with the horse talking to him/her or just hanging out. Time flies when I am out there, and people say that my time with the horses is interferring with my friendships, but I would much rather be there then with my friends. I feel as if the horses listen to me better than ANYONE else and they understand. But back to my original problem. I have done research and my stables offer to do self board for $175 a month. From what I have read, that is pretty good. Now I know that vet bills and equipment will be in there when needed but I asked my coach about how much she spends a month on one of her horses and she says $100-$150 dollars a month. So I figure about $300-$350 a month? Well I need help knowing if that is reasonable or not, and I need help finding a way to earn money, whether its babysitting, cutting the grass, cleaning houses, or spending extra time at the stables cleaning for free, and money off board. But all I want is what I have always wanted, if anyone can help even in one sentence, it would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks Everyone!oops:
     
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    10-22-2012, 10:40 PM
  #2
Green Broke
I would suggest considering a lease/half-lease situation rather than outright ownership - it allows you to start getting a feel for the responsibility and expense of ownership without the full-blown commitment/brunt of it all. It's a step in the right direction without having to jump into the deep-end and is often an easier "sell" to the ones who will ultimately be left holding the bag, your parents.
As for ideas - you listed a pretty full list and answered your own question.

I will tell you what I would tell my own daughter - the best way to convince someone you are ready, responsible, mature, etc enough for something (ie a horse) is to SHOW them, not TELL them. Telling becomes nagging - and nagging is not likely to get you what you want, in fact it is usually going to have the opposite effect.
     
    10-22-2012, 10:43 PM
  #3
Trained
Yup, you've got it bad. Well, $300-350/month when you don't have your own property to keep the horse on seems like it's on the low side. You'll need training for you and the horse, and before you say you can handle it I'll say that if you were my daughter no way would you not have training, it's too risky. So, that seems low. Then there's emergency vet which can run from $500 - 1000 per call, routine vet per year which is probably close to $500 and farrier which varies but I run about $300/year/horse and all the equipment you'll need which again is at least $1000.

How to earn it? Babysitting, lawn mowing, pet sitting, house cleaning or cooking for the elderly, car washing, newspaper route, helping at the barn in lieu of paying some board. Those are just some ideas for you.

Good luck with your mom. Remember if she says it's too expensive, she's concerned because no one can enter into a contract (and have it hold up in court) with a 13 y.o. Child. She will ultimately be responsible for any bills, damage, or injury caused by the horse.

And I totally get rather being with your horse than with your friend, I'm 55 and I'd STILL rather be with the horses than people.
     
    10-22-2012, 10:44 PM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by DreamsStartSomewhere    
Hey I'm Claire and I am new to horseforum. I needed a place to talk to other owners or want to be owners like myself about problems or questions. I am only thirteen years old but I have ALWAYS had a strange love for horses. As most girls dreams I want a horse. But its a different type of feeling. Its not just something I want it is something I feel like I wont be complete until I have. Any true horse lover can sure relate. But I need help on convincing my mom. I have ALWAYS longed for a horse and she knows that but she says that it is to expensive. I agree it is expensive but if you can get board for the price that I will, and the place where I would board is in the back of my neighborhood, I think that it might be worth it. I have been taking lessons at InnisFree Farm for about 3 months now. I havent always had the wealthiest life but now that I can take lessons and we arent struggling anymore with money, my life is much better. Now it may seem as if I am telling you my life story which I kinda of am when it comes to horses but I really need help. I spend hours on end at the stables riding or cleaning or just sitting in the stall with the horse talking to him/her or just hanging out. Time flies when I am out there, and people say that my time with the horses is interferring with my friendships, but I would much rather be there then with my friends. I feel as if the horses listen to me better than ANYONE else and they understand. But back to my original problem. I have done research and my stables offer to do self board for $175 a month. From what I have read, that is pretty good. Now I know that vet bills and equipment will be in there when needed but I asked my coach about how much she spends a month on one of her horses and she says $100-$150 dollars a month. So I figure about $300-$350 a month? Well I need help knowing if that is reasonable or not, and I need help finding a way to earn money, whether its babysitting, cutting the grass, cleaning houses, or spending extra time at the stables cleaning for free, and money off board. But all I want is what I have always wanted, if anyone can help even in one sentence, it would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks Everyone!oops:

This is hard. I felt the same way since I was about 5, and I just recently purchased my first horse. I am now 23 years old.

The problem right now seems to be finances and legality. You are 13. You are not old enough to enter a contract with. Your parent is legally obligated to own up to everything you need for this animal. Say you find the perfect horse for $1000. You will need money for a vet to do a pre-purchase exam (who wants to buy a sick/unsound horse?) Coggins and various other vaccinations will have to be up to date and officially noted on paper before you can even be accepted into a boarding facility. You may need a security deposit. (Generally the cost of a month's board) The barn owner may charge you to hold your horse while the vet or farrier comes out. If the horse suddenly becomes ill and needs x-rays or an emergency vet visit (let's say on a weekend, or a holiday even!) it becomes quite expensive.

If you aren't borrowing tack, you will need to purchase your own. Self care? You have to pay for and transport your own feed/hay in some instances.

That seems like a terrible bunch of work to try to save up thousands of dollars all while going to school. It is no wonder that a parent does not want to pick up the financial or legal slack for this.


I recommend saving! Save, save, save! Take lessons. Be around horses as much as you can. One day, when the time is right, you'll get your dream horse. You just need to work very very hard, be patient, and don't get frustrated easily.

There's not an easy answer to this. Unless your parent(s) hand you anything you desire, this is just something I would pinch pennies for.

In the meantime, you might be able to lease someone else's horse! It's all the fun of horse ownership without the full load of financial responsibility.

Good luck!!!!
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    10-22-2012, 10:44 PM
  #5
Trained
^^^^^What Pat said!
     
    10-23-2012, 07:26 AM
  #6
Green Broke
My horse costs me about $385 a month all up, which includes about $150 in feed a month.

To be honest, I'd be pretty cautious. When I bought my horse I had a place a fair bit cheaper to keep her, with a lot more grass, and since moving I am paying much more in agistment and more than double in feed. I can barely afford to keep her, because even though I could afford her in the past, I over committed myself by getting a horse. So if you have to convince yourself that you have enough money you probably don't.

On top of these costs will be tack and gear costs, that can easily run into the thousands, as well as the cost of actually purchasing the horse. So no matter how cheap you convince yourself ownership will be - it will cost more. If you can't get baby sitting work or discounts make sure you can still cover the cost.

Secondly, self care means you will have to go out there daily at a bare minimum, and likely twice a day if you rug or feed more often. This means if its raining, snowing you still have to go. If you don't have your own transport you have to ensure that your parents understand that they will have to support you in this. At the same time, if you're sick then you'll need to make sure that someone will be able to go out when you can't, someone will be able to feed when you have to go on holidays, or school camp.

Finally, it takes a while to learn how to ride a horse adequately without supervision. At least 50 - 100 hours I'd guess, as a bare minimum, so make sure you're of a level where you can safely ride a horse. And, with only a couple of months of experience you're probably going to need regular lessons for another year or so - so add that onto your cost.

Don't rush into this, you can always get a horse later on in your life when you can afford it yourself. You might also find someone who will let your ride their horse for free, or cheaply, so don't cut off options. Ask around, start to make contacts etc.

Good luck.
     
    10-23-2012, 08:07 AM
  #7
Yearling
I'm another one that has been where you are Claire, except I never had the chance to take lessons since the closest stable is a few hours away.

I bought my first horse last year, at the age of 19, and it ended miserably. I wanted a horse so badly that as soon as I had the money, the tack, and a place to keep it, I jumped in. Huge mistake. I ended up with an unsound, green Thoroughbred mare who landed me in hospital with permanent injuries.

My advice is hold on to the dream of buying a horse until you have a job. You will need regular income to keep up with a horse, and besides, in a few years (I presume) you can get your license and take yourself to see your horse whenever you want.

Also, I recommend writing out a list of every single thing that you will need to buy. I did this, and made the mistake of not sticking to it. I did some online shopping and had the maximum price I would spend on everything from saddle and bridle to first aid kits and clothing. On top of that I added an estimate of 6 months worth of worming, feed, farrier and the like. On top of that was a $1000 emergency fund and my horse limit. For me, it added up to around $4000. My plan was to get that money up and then make the investment, and I think this would be a great idea for you.

Besides, I'm willing to bet that saving up that much money will make your mother realize that you are dedicated to the cause. In the mean time, continue with your lessons, or even volunteer at the barn to get up your horsey time. Or, do something like I'm going to do - volunteer with a horse rescue to pamper the horses. Get your riding up, and maybe offer to exercise horses for people. You never know, you might be presented with the perfect opportunity to get a horse. Perhaps your barn owner could even hook you up with someone who needs their horse cared for, are perhaps someone who needs a groom.
     
    10-23-2012, 04:40 PM
  #8
Foal
Thank you so much for the help. My coach is thinking about selling her horse but she would make a deal so she could still stay at the barn and still use her for training and lessons. My mom said that if it came down to it she would consider it. I have talked to my grandmother, father and any other family members who might have work for me to do, they all said that they would let me know. Now my step-father has just taken a new job in Raleigh in the medical field. He says that he will be paid more than he was so that might increase my chance. And thank you for letting me know how you would feel if it was your own daughter. Now I know to stop nagging. Thanks so much guys!
     
    10-23-2012, 05:00 PM
  #9
Super Moderator
Probably everyone on this forum has experienced what you are now feeling. Some got lessons, some only got to look and yearn for them. But, we all survived the yearning. It won't kill you, I guarantee it.

Your money estimate is low, in my opinion. And, does not incorporate unexpected expenses. If you were my daughter, I would make you wait, do lessons, work at teh barn, keep up your grades, and then at 16 or 17 we'd have the "horse" conversation.
     

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