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        07-26-2012, 08:43 AM
      #31
    Green Broke
    Uh oh I never thought about winter I might have to have the vet come up with a plan that doesn't have liquids in the winter.

    The barn doesn't get really hot in the summer since it's the kind that is built into a hill with the hay loft on top... if that makes any sense. But I know water freezes in the winter.

    Come winter she shouldn't be on Red cell so I shouldn't have to worry about that. Per month I spend less than $40 on supplements and smartpak only gives free shipping if its over 40. I don't want to spend extra money for a little convience, I'm ok getting creative. I think I might try that shot glass idea, the plastic kind of course.
         
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        07-26-2012, 10:08 AM
      #32
    Super Moderator
    Feeding supplements

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kayella    
    That could be done on a separate thread, could it not? If she trusts her vet to do know what is best for her horse, then that is all that matters, right? :)

    ETA: Not trying to say you were out to offend anyone, just saying that it was off topic, and it had already been addressed before.
    The best thing about this Forum is that it allows for (polite) open debate and sometimes going slightly off thread can open up new ideas that have a bearing on the original thread
    The lady asked about how she could streamline her supplements and sometimes the best way to do this is to consider why you're feeding them and if you need them. For instance she is feeding a Safe Choice product, I use Safe Choice Life Design Senior Horse Feed myself for two of my horses and as her horse is 19 then I'm thinking this might be the one she is also using. If you look at the list of ingredients in it then you will see that it already contains Rice Bran, Flax seed and Omega 3 & 6 fatty acids in quite high levels and states that it has increased fat levels which is why I question the need for the Flax seed oil
    It also contains Calcium, phosphorus, copper, zinc, selenium & Vitamins C,A,D3 & E
    If you check on the Red Cell ingredients you will see that some of these things are also in that which could mean you are overloading your horses system with them which isn't a good thing to do.
    The vet should be able to supply a straight iron and B12 supplement, I know that my one can.
    Without wishing to upset anyone by going 'off thread' again As far as the worm situation goes as well as addressing the burden in the horses on the yard the source of the problem should also be addressed. If the grazing is now so badly contaminated that the horses are reinfesting so quickly as to lose weight in just a few days then the whole land management system there needs to be reviewed.
         
        07-26-2012, 10:30 AM
      #33
    Green Broke
    Ok first I will address the worm issue.

    My horse was a rescue. Body score 1.5/9. Infested with worms. Miscommunication resulted in not being properly dewormed when put in foster. I come in 4 months later. I'm told clean bill of health and all she needs is weight. It was January, I didn't expect a whole lot of weight gain in the cold. Summer came, she started to gain a little, not nearly what I would like. Then started loosing weight. Vet is called, blood is drawn. Full of worms and anemic. Body score of 3/9. She was put on Panacur Powerpac then daily dewormer. She is a paddock horse. She does not go to pasture. So it is easy enough to take care of worm problem. Horse she was with was taken off daily dewormer in winter. Started showing weight loss around same time as her. He was not nearly as bad, but also started out pretty plump. So it was not instant weight loss. Worms are taken care of as like I stated she is not in pasture, only paddock, which I suppose we can call a dry lot.

    Now on to overdosing on vitamins.

    Red cell is not permenate. Her gums were almost white. It is needed. She is on Safechoice original. The fat % is higher than the senior and the protein % is the same. Could not justify the huge increase in cost just for the word senior. At 8lbs per day, a few dollars a bag difference adds up. I can only get two feedings in per day. Since I cannot increase the safechoice amount since the vet said not to exceed feeding rate listed on bag, she is on flax seed oil to try to add some fat calories. I don't see how a skinny horse can get too many calories??

    MSM is because she is 19 and being brought into heavy work. She is an extremely hot horse and needs to work. I tried giving her time off and she would just spend hours running in her large paddock. I am not exaggerating here, she literally did laps. So back to work she went. Vet also said to keep her in work, as she feels better she will become a much different tempered horse.

    Raspberry leaves cannot hurt her. Don't see the problem here.

    She has been on this feeding program for 4 weeks. Flax seed oil has only just been introduced. When she gets her weight up to a desired amount her feeding program will be evaluated and adjusted as needed to maintain that weight.
         
        07-26-2012, 11:05 AM
      #34
    Weanling
    OP, keep feeding the suplements if they are working. People give me the wierdest looks when I tell them I feed Alli liquorice root, but I know its reducing her stomach ulcers and is more effective than anything else I have tried! If the suplements are working, why bother playing round with it!?

    As for streamlining, I had never seen SmartPaks until I googled it after reading this thread, but I would suggest re sealing bags for dry suplements 100 GRIP SEAL STRONG CLEAR RESEAL BAGS 3' X 3.25' GL3 | eBay as they are reusable and don't take up as much room as pots. For liquids, the shot glass is a good idea. I use an old salsa dip jar for soaking my liquorice root in, and an old cream pot for measuring it out I'm saying, whatever is the right size will do!
         
        07-26-2012, 11:48 AM
      #35
    Green Broke
    Thank you Alli, I think what I'm doing so far is working.

    Also a FYI for everyone regarding Smartpaks. I just did the smartpak calculator thing and for what I give her in smartpaks it would cost me $86.75 per month!!! I am currently paying less than $40 per month with how I am doing it. That is more than double, and for someone working on a budget that is just not going to happen.
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        07-26-2012, 11:56 AM
      #36
    Super Moderator
    supplements

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by poppy1356    
    Ok first I will address the worm issue.

    My horse was a rescue. Body score 1.5/9. Infested with worms. Miscommunication resulted in not being properly dewormed when put in foster. I come in 4 months later. I'm told clean bill of health and all she needs is weight. It was January, I didn't expect a whole lot of weight gain in the cold. Summer came, she started to gain a little, not nearly what I would like. Then started loosing weight. Vet is called, blood is drawn. Full of worms and anemic. Body score of 3/9. She was put on Panacur Powerpac then daily dewormer. She is a paddock horse. She does not go to pasture. So it is easy enough to take care of worm problem. Horse she was with was taken off daily dewormer in winter. Started showing weight loss around same time as her. He was not nearly as bad, but also started out pretty plump. So it was not instant weight loss. Worms are taken care of as like I stated she is not in pasture, only paddock, which I suppose we can call a dry lot.

    Now on to overdosing on vitamins.

    Red cell is not permenate. Her gums were almost white. It is needed. She is on Safechoice original. The fat % is higher than the senior and the protein % is the same. Could not justify the huge increase in cost just for the word senior. At 8lbs per day, a few dollars a bag difference adds up. I can only get two feedings in per day. Since I cannot increase the safechoice amount since the vet said not to exceed feeding rate listed on bag, she is on flax seed oil to try to add some fat calories. I don't see how a skinny horse can get too many calories??

    MSM is because she is 19 and being brought into heavy work. She is an extremely hot horse and needs to work. I tried giving her time off and she would just spend hours running in her large paddock. I am not exaggerating here, she literally did laps. So back to work she went. Vet also said to keep her in work, as she feels better she will become a much different tempered horse.

    Raspberry leaves cannot hurt her. Don't see the problem here.

    She has been on this feeding program for 4 weeks. Flax seed oil has only just been introduced. When she gets her weight up to a desired amount her feeding program will be evaluated and adjusted as needed to maintain that weight.
    OK.
    The raspberry leaves wont hurt her but might not be doing anything at all either - are you seeing any improvement in her mareish attitude yet? When I try these sort of things I allow a fixed amount of time to see effect and if none I stop them
    I have used Red Cell over the years as a tonic for horses that need a bit of a pick me up' and I can tell you that it works but they certainly become way more energetic and your mare seems to have that in abundance. The problem with having too much energy in an underweight horse is that they are going to burn up extra colories as fast as you shove them in and that's not what you want which is why I mentioned a straight iron & vitamin B supplement.
    Some people have found that magnesium is very good for settling horses that are a bit fizzy
    As you have her on a bare paddock - which is the best thing for her re. The worms is she getting ad lib hay?
    Switching slightly to your other thread. I knew a woman who had a young horse euthanised because it was virtually unrideable as it was throwing what I can best describe as tantrums that made it very dangerous as they were so unpredicatable. She had it autopsied and found that it had a huge red worm burden despite it being wormed regularly, the vet told her that this had been giving the horse severe stomach cramps. Maybe you should consider only giving your mare really light work until you've fixed all her problems
         
        07-26-2012, 12:29 PM
      #37
    Green Broke
    I gave her a week off starting 3 days before the vet came out and ending shortly after, so she had not had the red cell for very long at all. She has only been on the mare magic for just under a week but she has seemed a bit calmer so it may be working. I was going to give it a month as that is when the vet will be out next. I don't work her hard all the time but she gets about 3 good workouts a week. It really depends on the heat, I don't like working in the heat so I don't make her either.

    The Panacur Powerpak is designed to get all of those worms. I have never heard of red worm? Seems I hear that more from the people from Europe. Her tantrums aren't really dangerous yet. She has pulled two stunts by the road, but given more room I am able to control her enough. She's an Arab, so she has energy and opinions. If she had stomach cramps I would think she would have an issue with me touching near her stomach, which she does not.

    And yes she gets plenty of hay. There's always a bit left over by next feeding.
         
        07-26-2012, 03:31 PM
      #38
    Super Moderator
    supplements and worming

    This current heatwave has made it hard for everyone this summer and I know my horses aren't doing anything like as much as they normally would.
    You can only really keep plugging away as you are, its still early days for you both and the more she gets to trust you the more she will improve
    As far as work goes I prefer a little each day to large blocks of work a few days, its easier on the muscles and on her mind. One warning with the 'brakes' - some horses that are really insistent about this rushing back to the barn thing will start rearing and leaping if they find they can't go forwards.
    Attached some info on worms so you can see where we europeans get the term 'red worms' from
    Good luck
    Horse Worms
         
        07-26-2012, 03:41 PM
      #39
    Green Broke
    Hmm I could have done with out those pictures..yuck. But yes those are the worms she had. She works almost everyday but sometimes we just putz around the block, she just gets atleast 3 days of good work a week. I think this heat is taking a toll on her weight gain. She seems like when it's really really hot she doesn't want to eat as much. But I don't blame her, I don't eat much when it's hot out either.

    And yes she has given the thought to rear. It's why I never back her up when I stop. Also heard to back them out of gate to keep them from running out but I don't dare do that or she will rear for sure. I just make her stand still for about 5 seconds then we can leave the arena.

    When the vet pulls more blood end of August we will see if anything needs to be changed at that time.
         

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