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        10-11-2013, 09:19 PM
      #1
    Weanling
    Horse anticipating my every move

    During lessons we do pretty much the same stuff. Warm up, WTC, serpentines, figure 8, change direction etc. But now my horse anticipates my movements. Once I mount, I usually take right off, now he takes off before I am fully seated. Normally where I cue to trot, he starts trotting a second before I cue him. And I usually do canter work once the other horses have left the ring, now he breaks into an instant canter when they leave. I know how to fix all of these, I'm just torn between annoyed and amused. On one hand I hate that he is being naughty, on the other I love that he is just trying to to make me happy by doing what I normally ask before I have to ask it. Horses
         
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        10-11-2013, 09:34 PM
      #2
    Yearling
    I am on the annoyed side of the equation. The fact that the horse is calling the shots is disrespect in my book. Once he learns to call the shots there will be a time when you don't want him to do something and he will be confused and frustrated when you tell him no. IMHO you should not have to fix these things as they should not be happening. You are the leader and he needs to wait for you to say when to go, when to stop, which direction to go and how fast to go.

    Change things up and do something different, surprise him with a new set of exercises in a different order. Just make sure your calling the shots.
         
        10-11-2013, 10:06 PM
      #3
    Super Moderator
    Well said!

    Also, your horse isn't really trying to 'Please' you. He's trying to avoid the cue you would give him if he waited until you told him to. Such as, a squeeze of the leg or such. If he wants to please you , he would wait until you mounted up, and stand there , checking back in with you with an ear, as if to say, "and now, Captain, what shall we do?"

    It's nice when a horse is willing to please by doing what we ask without complaint or resentment, but that's them responding to a cue that they find acceptable, rather than them anticipating a cue they want to avoid so they jump ahead of you to avoid it.

    And, if I come off as being too much of a "miss perfect", I will admit that my horse doesn't say, "yes ma'am " every time when I get on. But, if he doesn't, and he doesn't , then I remind him promptly that I am there, and (since he can be lazy), I say, "walk on!" to get him pluggin in to my cues, not making decisions on his own.
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        10-11-2013, 10:24 PM
      #4
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by mrstorres2566    
    ...Once I mount, I usually take right off, now he takes off before I am fully seated...
    BAD habit to start. It usually turns in to moving off before you get on, or while you are getting on. Please don't ask me how I came to that conclusion.

    I make a big point of 'we go nowhere' when I mount, and I'll get after Mia if she tries to take a step. There are lots of things to do before moving off: stand in stirrups. Sit. Feet out of stirrups. Stretch. Feet in stirrups, stand. Balance in the saddle without using my hands. Fold myself back into the saddle from two point. Scratch her withers. Make sure her mane isn't caught under the saddle. Feet out and back in the stirrups.

    You get the idea. I can easily spend 2 minutes stretching my legs, adjusting my balance and just talking to her. THEN we move out, normally at a walk for at least a couple of minutes. Two point at a walk. Turns in both direction, starting broad and getting smaller. My first 5-10 minutes set the tone for the ride, IMHO. I never lunge her before mounting, but my 55 year old body cannot jump in the saddle and be ready to go. And in honesty, I don't think her mind does well if we don't spend a few minutes getting in synch with each other.

    Once they learn the 'game', then helping out is a good thing IMHO. Once Mia knows we're going to do a right turn around the pylon instead of turn left around the OTHER pylon, then her making it a good, balanced turn without input from me is fair - at least for the riding we do. But FWIW, the longer I ride, the more I like taking 1-2 minutes stretching, balancing and just sitting before we go our first step. YMMV.
         
        10-11-2013, 10:28 PM
      #5
    Started
    Smart horse! I wouldn't consider this disrespectful in my horse, simply because I know how he operates and how he works, as he would be doing it simply because he was trying to do the 'right' thing. Maybe some other horses have other motives. Sounds like it's time to mix it up!
         
        10-11-2013, 11:00 PM
      #6
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by gssw5    
    I am on the annoyed side of the equation. The fact that the horse is calling the shots is disrespect in my book. Once he learns to call the shots there will be a time when you don't want him to do something and he will be confused and frustrated when you tell him no. IMHO you should not have to fix these things as they should not be happening. You are the leader and he needs to wait for you to say when to go, when to stop, which direction to go and how fast to go.

    Change things up and do something different, surprise him with a new set of exercises in a different order. Just make sure your calling the shots.
    Yeah, today as soon as he broke into a trot without asking, he was halted, backed up and made to do it again. When he took off with me when I was mounting, he was backed up and made to wait a few minutes. When he broke into a canter he was halted, made to wait, and then we only walked and trotted for the rest of the time. I told my trainer, "It's time to switch it up, he's got this down pat."
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        10-11-2013, 11:04 PM
      #7
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    well said!

    Also, your horse isn't really trying to 'Please' you. He's trying to avoid the cue you would give him if he waited until you told him to. Such as, a squeeze of the leg or such. If he wants to please you , he would wait until you mounted up, and stand there , checking back in with you with an ear, as if to say, "and now, Captain, what shall we do?"

    It's nice when a horse is willing to please by doing what we ask without complaint or resentment, but that's them responding to a cue that they find acceptable, rather than them anticipating a cue they want to avoid so they jump ahead of you to avoid it.

    And, if I come off as being too much of a "miss perfect", I will admit that my horse doesn't say, "yes ma'am " every time when I get on. But, if he doesn't, and he doesn't , then I remind him promptly that I am there, and (since he can be lazy), I say, "walk on!" to get him pluggin in to my cues, not making decisions on his own.
    Eh, I honestly DO NOT think he is being disrespectful. I mean when he is being disrespectful (and it's quite often) it's blatantly ignoring my cues. He kept flicking his ears back to me expecting a 'good boy', because in his mind he was doing what he knew I was going to want before I asked.

    AND is it weird that I laughed at, "and now, Captain, what shall we do?" because I could seriously hear him saying this, sarcastically of course.
         
        10-11-2013, 11:04 PM
      #8
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Sharpie    
    Smart horse! I wouldn't consider this disrespectful in my horse, simply because I know how he operates and how he works, as he would be doing it simply because he was trying to do the 'right' thing. Maybe some other horses have other motives. Sounds like it's time to mix it up!
    Ugh, he is SO intelligent, and sometimes it's a real pain in the butt! LOL!
         
        10-11-2013, 11:09 PM
      #9
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bsms    
    BAD habit to start. It usually turns in to moving off before you get on, or while you are getting on. Please don't ask me how I came to that conclusion.

    I make a big point of 'we go nowhere' when I mount, and I'll get after Mia if she tries to take a step. There are lots of things to do before moving off: stand in stirrups. Sit. Feet out of stirrups. Stretch. Feet in stirrups, stand. Balance in the saddle without using my hands. Fold myself back into the saddle from two point. Scratch her withers. Make sure her mane isn't caught under the saddle. Feet out and back in the stirrups.

    You get the idea. I can easily spend 2 minutes stretching my legs, adjusting my balance and just talking to her. THEN we move out, normally at a walk for at least a couple of minutes. Two point at a walk. Turns in both direction, starting broad and getting smaller. My first 5-10 minutes set the tone for the ride, IMHO. I never lunge her before mounting, but my 55 year old body cannot jump in the saddle and be ready to go. And in honesty, I don't think her mind does well if we don't spend a few minutes getting in synch with each other.

    Once they learn the 'game', then helping out is a good thing IMHO. Once Mia knows we're going to do a right turn around the pylon instead of turn left around the OTHER pylon, then her making it a good, balanced turn without input from me is fair - at least for the riding we do. But FWIW, the longer I ride, the more I like taking 1-2 minutes stretching, balancing and just sitting before we go our first step. YMMV.
    You changed your pic and through me all off! LOL!

    I mounted and dismounted several times today, making him wait, the times between mounting and take off always different. Because I KNOW if I always wait the same amount of time, he will get used to that and start waiting even when I cue him.

    I seriously don't think he is being disrespectful AT ALL, like pp have said, and I know they were just giving good input. I just think he's learned me, and is 'helping out', as you have put it. But fact of the matter is, I should always call the shots. It's great he wants to help out, but there are other ways to do it. Like when we run barrels. He knows that pattern like the back of his...hoof?...so I let him at it. He's better than I am, seriously.
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        10-11-2013, 11:41 PM
      #10
    Yearling
    To my mind, he just got bored. And learnt the pattern.
    1) As others said, need to work on standing for mounting (I have this problem on trails now, he is too "go go go")
    2) Maybe he actually reads your cue faster? But most likely he just knows the pattern.
    3) MIX IT UP - start every lesson with a different movement and different place in the arena. Do all the things you can come up with and lots of transitions to keep him focused on what is coming next. He has a schoolmaster's habit that knows the routine of the class..
         

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