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    06-18-2013, 09:37 AM
  #11
Trained
I have know of a disturbing case of horse hoarding in my area. I will post the details of it later, pain typing on a mobile.
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    06-18-2013, 09:38 AM
  #12
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I don't think it's any more prevalent than it's been in the past, we just have more and better ways of sharing global information now. The advent of the Internet Age has made the sharing of information pretty much instantaneous, unlike previous generations.
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    06-18-2013, 11:39 AM
  #13
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Like I said we had no horse knowledge at first. I did get books and magazines, watched YouTube, and watched shows on RFDTV. I did ask a trainer for help only twice that I can remembe

I do agree that for the general public, you can't learn what you need to know by reading books and watching videos. BUT, it is possible for some. I have been told that I'm a natural with horses, so maybe that's why it worked for me. I won't say I know it all because I don't think anyone could. There's always more to learn.
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This is somewhat my story as well...though I'm not as advanced as Usandpets!!!!

I come from an hoarding family, so I know the ugly face of hoarding. Like Usandpets, I have a few dogs and eight cats...and after less than two years of horses, I have five.

There is a fine line though, that I won't cross. I know when I'm at MAX CAPACITY. Even if I saw a cat or a horse dying in front of me, I could not take it in right now, even if I had to sit on my hands. =( Hoarding, even if done under good intentions, does no one any good, least of all the animals! Trust me...I've seen it.

As for horses, I paid only 400 for my baby girl, a weanling filly. I knew next to nothing about horses, though I'd had plenty of other animals, enough to know that once I got the gist of the body language, I'd be ok for the rest of the ride. I took her to an awesome boarding facility with a BO who was willing to HELP ME LEARN. Then I set about reading everything I could, from books to the forums...I settled on this forum mostly, because of the extremely unpleasant reaction I got from the first. I took that unhandled weanling, and I think I did well enough...she is currently getting some training at the CA boarding facility, and I am told that she is a very sweet horse.

My second horse(s) were a rescue through another board member. They came from a facility overrun with Shetlands, just thrown all together...I got a feral mare and her colt. Now, less than a year later, that mare may not be the easiest to handle (she trusts mostly me, she'll play her "I'm scared!" game to any who will accept it...), but she actually looks for me, will poke her head out of the fence at me, I can touch her without her bolting, she stands for the farrier for at least the front feet, her teeth have been floated...this from the gibbering mess that slammed herself into the stall walls/waterer and would shake if you touched her.

I've taken on two others, one that I can actually ride (I'm still learning that too!!!), and one I may sell on after he grows to a normal size from the serious stunting he got at his breeder's "facility".

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying, and I guess what UsandPets was saying, is that not all of the noobie rescues goes badly, and I think most of it is attitude and a willingness to learn. I wish that the other forum members had been more accepting of me and how I was going about things in such a backwards way...but after reading a few threads, I kind of get why they were in arms LOL. Even still, the exclusionary attitude that some horse-people have is NOT helping any new people delve into horse ownership.


Also, just saying, DON'T UNDERESTIMATE the power of READING BOOKS and watching those videos for a person with some small amount of common sense and animal handling experience! As long as that person also has a real life resource to clear up any points of confusion, books and videos CAN indeed help someone learn how to *care* for horses.
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    06-18-2013, 12:23 PM
  #14
Yearling
I definitely was no expert when I bought my first horse in February. I knew about horses and their care due to riding for eight years and working at barns for 2, but I was by no means proficient! I've learned A LOT since February just by getting more hands-on experience with my own...
     
    06-18-2013, 01:03 PM
  #15
Started
Also, just saying, DON'T UNDERESTIMATE the power of READING BOOKS and watching those videos for a person with some small amount of common sense and animal handling experience! As long as that person also has a real life resource to clear up any points of confusion, books and videos CAN indeed help someone learn how to *care* for horses.


Absolutely! I am a lot older than most of you here. Years ago, books were all we had. That and magazines. Learning anything was quite a bit more difficult. I remember training my first horse, with a book open on a bench, outside the stable. It was difficult and took committment, to own/show/breed or do anything with horses. Nothing came easily. I bet I wrote thousands of letters, just to trace pedigrees.

And I don't think it has always been like this. Years ago, people earned a lot less than they do these days, yet the average horse cost quite a bit. To purchase a decent horse in those days, cost me about the same as it would have done now. There were fewer rescues and fewer animals in rescue. Fewer breeders in fact.

In the 1960's for example, I had and was showing/breeding Great Danes. There were only three of us, ALL across the US, who were doing rescue in the breed. Even at that, we seldom got any dogs to rescue and rehome. Now, there are several Great Dane rescues in almost every city and town in the US, and they are overflowing. It has been the same with most breeds of dogs and horses.

Certainly when times were good, many probably purchased or bred more animals than they should have. When the economy fell into the toilet, prices dropped and we saw more and more animals, suffering from lack of food, rescues unable to take more in and more horses than I ever remember, being given away or dumped into iffy auctions. And this I think, is where we have seen many with good intentions, taking in more animals than they can really look after reasonably. And in a way, I really do understand it. It takes a stout heart and self control, not to take in every free or very cheap horse, we are offered. It takes self control NOT to breed, when we have perfectly nice horses. These days, it becomes very easy to get in way over our heads, with so many horses around, needing homes and for extremely reasonable cost or free.

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    06-18-2013, 05:05 PM
  #16
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I think hoarding is not any more common now then it was, its just more visible. Horses are cheap in the USA and that helps or hurts. That said, sometimes the definition of hoarder is a lot looser for some than for others. Hoarding to me is similar to OCD where they HAVE to have it and can not afford it. I think there is a financial aspect to it. No one really has a problem if you have a ton of horses and can afford to care for them.

To me its not lack of knowledge but lack of funds and at times a willingness to allow animals to suffer. If you have two horses but can't care for either one properly (talking basics food, water, shelter, vaccines), than you are a hoarder you can have 20 horses and be caring for all of them and not be a hoarder. People can learn to care for a horse but you can't magically pull money out of thin are (if you can we should talk) and horses take money.
     
    06-18-2013, 06:11 PM
  #17
Trained
I don't know that I am comfortable labeling anyone a hoarder or backyard breeder.
I think that a hoarder is probably emotionally fragile or unstable.. I see it as an illness not a character flaw. Using the term hoarder IMO is dismissing the underlying problem that can probably be treated. It also highlights the ignorance most of us have about mental illness.
I do think with the advent of the internet, which by the way I am still stuck in the 20th century, a lot of people are reaching out and becoming more aware of the abuse and neglect of animals. That imo is a great thing. Shalom
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    06-18-2013, 06:50 PM
  #18
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I think a lot of these people see something cheap or free and just have to have it regardless, I do think there is some element of mental problem involved with some of them but for others its just a 'must have' sort of greed with no thought for how they're going to care for it and - don't get me wrong here because its lovely if unwanted horses can be homed - but a lot of these people are buying horses that have huge health or behavioral issues and they don't have the bank balance or the knowledge to deal with
It has been a growing problem for a long time but is getting worse as horse prices sink.
One thing that I do see is that when I was a child if you wanted a pony (and didn't come from a horsey family) you learnt to ride at a riding school and spent time there helping out to learn how to do the basics first and then got someone to help select a good animal that would work well and kindly for you
Nowadays the trend is to just rush out and buy any green thing they can find and at best muddle along
No wonder people like Parelli are laughing all the way to the bank.
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    06-18-2013, 06:57 PM
  #19
Foal
I agree
     
    06-18-2013, 07:41 PM
  #20
Yearling
IMO it's the people breeding all these extra horses that are to blame here.
     

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