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    06-19-2013, 10:38 AM
Characteristics of a hoarder[edit]

An animal hoarder keeps an unusually large number of pets, but fails to care for them properly. A hoarder is distinguished from an animal breeder, who would have a large number of animals as the central component of his or her business; this distinction can be problematic, however, as some hoarders are former breeders who have ceased selling and caring for their animals, while others will claim to be breeders as a psychological defense mechanism, or in hopes of forestalling intervention. Gary Patronek, director of the Center for Animals and Public Policy at Tufts University, defines hoarding as the "pathological human behavior that involves a compulsive need to obtain and control animals, coupled with a failure to recognize their suffering".[3] According to another study, the distinguishing feature is that a hoarder "fails to provide the animals with adequate food, water, sanitation, and veterinary care, and... is in denial about this inability to provide adequate care."[4] Along with other compulsive hoarding behaviours, it is linked in the DSM-IV to obsessive compulsive disorder and obsessive compulsive personality disorder.[5] Alternatively, animal hoarding could be related to addiction, dementia, or even focal delusion.[4]
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    06-19-2013, 11:36 AM
I know of a horse breeder that sells extremely high dollar horses. Some of his two year olds bring $10,000.

I still call him a hoarder. He will take care of his horses for a while, then he will let them get too thin. He rarely gets their feet done; only if they are extremely bad. He never does teeth. He doesn't vaccinate. He does deworm. When he gets a bunch of colts ready to sell, he feeds them up so they look better and then sends them off to a trainer.

He doesn't care about the health, well being, or comfort of the horses. They are just money production machines to him.

He has gotten in legal trouble over his neglect numerous times.

I think that he is an alcoholic or maybe on drugs. Or both.
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    06-19-2013, 12:37 PM
Hoarding is one thing, a mental disorder.

What the OP describes in her first post though is not really hoarding to me. That's just ignorance
We have a culture of jumping at bargains and free stuff. Advertisements of "free ... with your purchase" work, even though 99% of the time whatever you get "free" is totally useless junk. We also have a culture that implies constantly getting new stuff is a good thing. Nobody mends clothes anymore, or fixes a broken radio, as long as new stuff is available for so cheap.
It's easier to say "I need a new horse" than to put effort into fixing what's wrong with the one you have (e.g. Behavioral or medical). It's also more exciting to bring a new $50 auction horse home, with all the hopes and dreams attached to it, than to pay yet more vet bills for your horse that has been lame for half a year.
In the end, it doesn't really matter if the purchase price of a horse is $50, or $500, or $5000, if you want to keep and maintain it for a lifetime, it will end up costing you much more than that anyways.

There was a "hoarding" case in our area a while back, where a couple had the starving dogs living in their own urine and feces in the back of the house, while they had three "new" ones in the front (where they lived) that were well fed and taken care of. That's not really hoarding or cluelessness to me, since they clearly seemed to know what the animals needed and were capable to provide it to some of them, but not the others. To me, that's probably a result of the old ones getting "boring", and the new ones were still exciting and worth taking care of.

I have one horse and two dogs, and no desire to have any more. My horse and one of the dogs cost me about $6G in vet bills this year alone already. My horse is currently unrideable and won't be for at least a few more months to come. In the times when my horse is well, he needs to be ridden 4-6 times a week to maintain his training level, preferrably with a trainer at least once a week. True, it's not as "sexy" as bringing home two new horses every year, and starting colts on the side, but it's plenty of work and financial burden for me.
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    06-19-2013, 12:38 PM
Animal harders tend to isolate from society.
TBforever posted a very good description of the illnessn and some of the very treatable underlying issues that may precondition some one to become a hoarder.
This IMO has not been studied as thoroughly as needed but we are seeing more and more cases .
If you keep Bday cards or sentimental things you ARE NOT a hoarder. You have a very logical reason to want to preserve these things. Memories do matter. Especially to parents. Shalom
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    06-19-2013, 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Animal harders tend to isolate from society.
TBforever posted a very good description of the illnessn and some of the very treatable underlying issues that may precondition some one to become a hoarder.
This IMO has not been studied as thoroughly as needed but we are seeing more and more cases .
If you keep Bday cards or sentimental things you ARE NOT a hoarder. You have a very logical reason to want to preserve these things. Memories do matter. Especially to parents. Shalom
So off topic for a second, my mom, as mentioned above wasn't quite right though I didn't get into details...Well she always kept some of my discarded baby teeth as souvenirs.

I also kept a few of my daughter's baby teeth. Well my husband found out and freaked out a little bit and said it was gross.

So is that "normal", is it tradition...or am I doing something wrong??!
    06-19-2013, 02:40 PM
Daddies may not understand that .. but I think most mammas do!
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    06-19-2013, 03:03 PM
If you kept the babies first dirty diaper, the first cloth it threw up on then your husband should be a little concerned. Babby teeth are ok. I know people that keep the foreskin after a baby has been circumsized.
I would not worry.demonwolf. Shalom
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    06-22-2013, 01:35 AM
An example of hoarding as a behavior associated with loss or low self esteem would be my adopted daughter who hoarded trash, especially paper trash. Just about every drawer in her bedroom and bathroom, as well as every container she had, from purses to shoeboxes, was full of torn up papers, folded notes, crumpled papers. She would write one or two words on a sheet of paper, fold it up, and throw it in with the others. She also collected tons of writing instruments of all sorts. Adopted kids of course have huge loss issues, and many have low self esteem for various reasons after the loss of their biological parent(s) and living situation before they were taken into care. So perhaps it is possible that hoarders of stuff are grieving some sort of profound loss??? Very interesting topic, although the animal hoarding is hard to stomach. As someone said, we can help by notifying the authorities when necessary.
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