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    View Poll Results: Horse meat - Will you eat it ??
    Yes I would/have 20 16.53%
    Maybe.... I would probably try it. 23 19.01%
    No 41 33.88%
    NO!!! Its completely wrong !!!!! 37 30.58%
    Voters: 121. You may not vote on this poll

     
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        07-27-2010, 03:16 PM
      #131
    Foal
    Honestly, 'humane slaughter' is kind of an oxymoron.....Killing isn't nice...it's neccesary...You can't chemically put down an animal intended for human cunsumption, a real bullet is more than a little impractical than a bolt gun, and while there 'may' be 'some' sadists in the industry, the industry it's self isn't sadistic and those individuals who do show that they are otherwise 'inhumane' to the livestock being culled should be prosecuted.

    Not only that, but the bolt, even if fired incorrectly (which can happen, granted) the time it takes to kill the animal is NOTHING as inhumane as leaving the slaughterhouses closed and leaving the horses to starve to death or be shipped to Mexico where TRUE inhumane slaughter practices are happening.

    Or, what about the people who are so desperate to sell a horse and can't, so they just let it out at some park or on the side of the road (It HAS happened!!!) Know what happens then? Road kill...true sadists get a hold of them and do truly evil things...packs of dogs or other wild animals introduce themselves as part of the horse's food chain...and the horse will always be at the bottom of it.
         
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        07-27-2010, 03:19 PM
      #132
    Foal
    Yes, eating bread that might have resulted in the death of a field mouse is exactly the same thing as eating a toxic horse steak from a horse that suffered the trauma of a kill auction, inhumane transport, a feed lot, and a terrifying death. Yep, same exact thing. @@
    I was MORE than willing to rationally discuss the subject, and I'm always interested in seeing some credible information from the other side of my viewpoint. But now it's just getting stupid and pointless.
    I guess now I have a little better understanding how so many people who dump horses at kill auctions (which I have been to and seen with my own eyes, not through "propoganda videos") do what they do and go home and sleep like babies that night. Learn something every day.
         
        07-27-2010, 03:48 PM
      #133
    Green Broke
    ^

    Ok, fine, here's your information.

    Field mouse my ass. The thresher alone is responsible for hundreds, if not thousands, of animals being brutally torn to shreds every single year. And if you choose to ignore that, fine, ignore this - do you have an explanation for the hundreds of thousands of animals that die every year from starvation and disease because your monocrops are displacing their habitats faster then they can give birth? Or do you ignore that? You're probably against hunting as well, the necessary evil that presents itself when people like you choose to ignore the fact that our world can no longer support the expanding populations because WE keep driving this animals out of their natural habitats and completely DESTROYING the surrounding ecosystem.

    There is NO such thing as a "guilt free" meal. Animals suffer JUST as much for your meal as they do mine - except, I at least EAT the animal that endured suffering for my plate, unlike you who just scream and cry to save all the animals while contently dining on your blood splattered wheat and feeling smug about how no animals died for YOUR meal. Think again sister.

    I have zero issue with vegetarians - I have a HUGE issue with self righteous idiots who seem to think there's such thing as eating without death. It's called a circle of life, and like it or not, NOTHING you eat isn't splattered with the blood of one animal or another. And they ALL died violently. Go watch a nature tape sometime.
         
        07-27-2010, 03:56 PM
      #134
    Green Broke
    Oh, and look farther then Wikipedia next time. If I have time to locate it, I will find the article that was printed in Horse & Rider about 2-3 years ago that touched on the slaughter debate between licensed veterinarians pro slaughter and anti-slaughter - both sides acknowledge a properly administered captive bolt gun is one of THE most humane ways to EUTHANIZE an animal.

    Captive bolt gun - definition of Captive bolt gun in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
    captive bolt pistol
    a handheld weapon used for euthanasia of large animals. The muzzle is placed against the subject's forehead. When the trigger is pulled, or the firing pin struck a sharp blow, a 3 cm rod, 1 cm diameter exits sharply from the muzzle and pierces the skull and damages the brain. The rod does not leave the weapon and there is no possible risk of injuring a bystander.

    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118519281/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

    Anybody with a still INTACT brain should be able to deduce that when a bolt of metal SHATTERS your skull and DESTROYS part of the brain, even if you're not technically dead based on a still beating heart (which obviously takes longer to stop), you're not feeling anything.

    Every article I have ever read on veterinarians against slaughter has ZERO to do with the captive bolt gun and it's effectiveness - it has to do with IMPROPER use of the captive bolt gun. Any veterinarian will tell you that when properly administered, it is THE most accurate and humane way to kill a large animal.
         
        07-27-2010, 04:14 PM
      #135
    Green Broke
    I just thought of something else. Most people who try to be vegetarian or "guilt free" don't even THINK about what they wear and use. I see so many vegans in their nice clean "natural cotton"....yeah, that was harvested by threshers too, people!!! And don't get me started on what the manufacture of Nylon and polyester does to the environment....why not google that????

    Seems to me that farming beef then using it for food, clothing, and other materials is pretty innocent compared to what we do to obtain our so called "green" and "guilt free" products.
         
        07-27-2010, 04:26 PM
      #136
    Showing
    The only way to make sure anything we eat or wear is 'green' and 'guilt free' is to grow, breed, raise, harvest, slaughter, and make ourselves.

    How many of us have the time, money, and resources to be able to do that? Very few, and even those who could wouldn't want to.

    Small farms are not the bucolic, easy going, happy places some people seem to think they are. They're about birth and death, just on a much smaller scale than the factory farms.

    They use the same machinery and methods as the bigger places.

    I have no problem if someone wants to cut out meat from their lives. Just don't let it turn into a crusade, or set yourself up as somehow more caring and humane than the rest of us who really understand how things work.
         
        07-27-2010, 05:29 PM
      #137
    Yearling
    We are omnivores with a conscience :)

    This leads to many dilemmas in our day by day life.
    Whatever path you choose, try to accept and understand others as well.
         
        08-04-2010, 09:07 PM
      #138
    Foal
    Horse Slaughter Debate

    This is an incredibly controversial topic. I've been around horses all my life and can see the advantages of having horse slaughter legalized while at the same time feeling sad about selling a horse to slaughter.
         
        08-05-2010, 07:54 AM
      #139
    Banned
    Artsyjenn, lets ignore all the good points other like SR make. I just want to say, your side would be better served if you would not change your mind on every other post.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by artsyjenn
    I don't really believe that humane slaughter exists
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by artsyjenn
    Do I believe that humane slaughter exists? Absolutely.




    Quote:
    Originally Posted by artsyjenn
    Commercial slaughterhouses are full of sadists
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by artsyjenn
    I didn't say that they were all sadists!
    Um...full does not mean all in your world?



    From the same paragraph even:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by artsyjenn
    I don't think that former commercial slaughterhouse workers who report the horrors that they have seen are making up stories just for fun
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by artsyjenn
    Taking life day after day, in a high pressure assembly line environment, is going to desensitize even a normal person eventually. What was once a horror isn't going to seem as awful if you see it day after day after day. That's just basic human nature.
    So, do they think these things are horrors or do they use their basic human nature and they are desensitized to it? I am confused.



    Just to clarify something you obviously do not understand.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by artsyjenn
    and they will bleed out easier when the throat is slit and the animal is hung upside down.


    That thing is called gravity. Hence the reason the carcass is hung upside down. So gravity can do its thing. If the heart was still beating away in there (vs the muscle slowly stopping like happens even with lethal injection) they could leave the carcass on the floor to bleed out under its own pumping power. Hanging the body allows that wonderful thing called gravity drain the blood.





         
        08-05-2010, 09:01 AM
      #140
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by selecthorsesale    
    This is an incredibly controversial topic. I've been around horses all my life and can see the advantages of having horse slaughter legalized while at the same time feeling sad about selling a horse to slaughter.
    Anyone who feels sad about selling a horse to slaughter doesn't have to.

    There are other options for an unwanted animal if the thought of selling to slaughter is too horrific.
         

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