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        03-16-2012, 06:59 PM
      #31
    Yearling
    Let's see now...
    No or very little turnout
    Working horses so hard they bleed from the nose
    Breakdowns from starting work at 2
    Hocks ruined after 5 years
    Breeding ridiculous numbers of horses only to "throw out" the excess
    Nurse mare farms

    I don't see how anyone could possibly be pro-racing (at least as it's run in North America). There might be good and bad in every sport, but that doesn't mean that all sports start out equal - some are inherently less humane than others. It's a shame, too, because when you get down to it racing really is one of the most natural things for a horse.
         
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        03-16-2012, 07:55 PM
      #32
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
    Let's see now...
    No or very little turnout
    Working horses so hard they bleed from the nose
    Breakdowns from starting work at 2
    Hocks ruined after 5 years
    Breeding ridiculous numbers of horses only to "throw out" the excess
    Nurse mare farms

    I don't see how anyone could possibly be pro-racing (at least as it's run in North America). There might be good and bad in every sport, but that doesn't mean that all sports start out equal - some are inherently less humane than others. It's a shame, too, because when you get down to it racing really is one of the most natural things for a horse.
    While most of that is true to one degree or another, the turnout isn't. Racehorses aren't in the condition they are in from standing in their stalls all day long. Most of them are far more fit than horses in just about any other discipline other than higher level endurance...
         
        03-16-2012, 08:45 PM
      #33
    Weanling
    I have had this arguement and debate for so long it wares me out. I have been at the tracks all my life and like so many horse disciplines you have good you have bad.
    People say they are started too young, do you realize they start some reiners at young ages as cutting etc.
    They use drugs, do you realize that they use illegal drugs in jumping and eventing they just don't test for it. They use drugs in sadd;le seat and TWH which by the way are under the USDA watchful eyes.
    They are stalled more then out, do you realize so are halter horses saddleseat horses yet race horses are worked longer so they use up more energy then a halter horse.
    Race horses go to slaughter hell all breeds go to slaughter race back yard show etc etc.
    Jockeys and drivers go threw more hell then the horses do. Horses are by far the first Jockeys go thrw hell for the wieght issu sometimes starving themselves to the point of sickness.
    And like I always say you have good and bad trainers/owners in all horse industry and people have got to stop being so closed minded Ignorant I might add.
    Horses are not raced on dirt or uneven ground they are raced on stonedust that is conditioned after every race. It may look hard surface but its not and racing in dirt isnt safe. Becomes too deep and wrecks havic on the joints if too deep that's why they use stonedust.
    Drug testing is serious business in racing and has become extremely strict BUTE is not allowed when racing they are fined. You can't even use some suppliments because they test positive.
    Only reason racing gets a bad name is due to the triple crown and the amount of people who watch it. They don't realize how many races go on per day. Kind of like flying in planes OMG I w9ont ride in a plane they crash well with the amount of flights as apposed to crashes your safer flying then driving.
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        03-16-2012, 08:51 PM
      #34
    Weanling
    I see alot of show horses come up dead lame at young ages jumpers reiners barrel cutting eventers etc etc But I wont bash them say its cruel etc etc. I have had so many of my race horses come off the track 100% SOUND and they are started at late 2 into 3's more as 3 yr olds then 2's
         
        03-16-2012, 08:53 PM
      #35
    Foal
    Not all racehorses are boxed in 23 hours a day.
    Where I work they live in paddocks with plently of grass - they are relaxed as. When sold they don't need time to relax and learn to be a horse, they already know that they are.

    Also 2yos are lightly raced - and many racehorses wont start until wya after they turn 3yo. They don't just race, race, race. They do slow work, some pace work, then a jumpout / trial and then usually turned out for 3 + months. Only a handful will get a run or more - trainers know how a young horses body work.
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        03-16-2012, 08:56 PM
      #36
    Weanling
    exactly bold.
         
        03-17-2012, 09:13 AM
      #37
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TimberRidgeRanch    
    I have had this arguement and debate for so long it wares me out. I have been at the tracks all my life and like so many horse disciplines you have good you have bad.
    People say they are started too young, do you realize they start some reiners at young ages as cutting etc.
    They use drugs, do you realize that they use illegal drugs in jumping and eventing they just don't test for it. They use drugs in sadd;le seat and TWH which by the way are under the USDA watchful eyes.
    They are stalled more then out, do you realize so are halter horses saddleseat horses yet race horses are worked longer so they use up more energy then a halter horse.
    Race horses go to slaughter hell all breeds go to slaughter race back yard show etc etc.
    Jockeys and drivers go threw more hell then the horses do. Horses are by far the first Jockeys go thrw hell for the wieght issu sometimes starving themselves to the point of sickness.
    And like I always say you have good and bad trainers/owners in all horse industry and people have got to stop being so closed minded Ignorant I might add.
    Horses are not raced on dirt or uneven ground they are raced on stonedust that is conditioned after every race. It may look hard surface but its not and racing in dirt isnt safe. Becomes too deep and wrecks havic on the joints if too deep that's why they use stonedust.
    Drug testing is serious business in racing and has become extremely strict BUTE is not allowed when racing they are fined. You can't even use some suppliments because they test positive.
    Only reason racing gets a bad name is due to the triple crown and the amount of people who watch it. They don't realize how many races go on per day. Kind of like flying in planes OMG I w9ont ride in a plane they crash well with the amount of flights as apposed to crashes your safer flying then driving.
    Just lovely - call those who disagree with your biased opinions as ignorant. People who recognize and are concerned with issues in the TB racing industry are not ignorant. Quite the contrary - if they were ignorant they would not be concerned.

    The irony of your post is the Jockey Club itself recognizes the problems in the industry and is trying to do something about them. Your position is not only antiquated, but is counterproductive to the industry you supposedly support. If you truly want to support it, as I do, then admit to the problems, face them head on, and try to help resolve them. Ignoring them does not make them go away, and as long as they exist, attendance and revenues will continue to decline...
         
        03-17-2012, 09:27 AM
      #38
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
    Let's see now...
    No or very little turnout
    Working horses so hard they bleed from the nose
    Breakdowns from starting work at 2
    Hocks ruined after 5 years
    Breeding ridiculous numbers of horses only to "throw out" the excess
    Nurse mare farms

    I don't see how anyone could possibly be pro-racing (at least as it's run in North America). There might be good and bad in every sport, but that doesn't mean that all sports start out equal - some are inherently less humane than others. It's a shame, too, because when you get down to it racing really is one of the most natural things for a horse.
    so I just got my traners "ticket" here in Canada and can say was blown away on how easy it was to get. I joke really. Tick tick tick and heres my check.
    At least in Oz you gotta have proof you know what your doing, not just tick boxes of what tickets you want....holy crap I don't like how the track work riders rider either.... So if anyone from oz that can ride work and not swing off the horses mouth the whole friggen time. PM me I need 1 stablehand/ track rider..........
         
        03-17-2012, 10:29 AM
      #39
    Banned
    I have a love/hate relationship with racing.

    I worked in the industry on and off.

    And yes, there is good and bad in this discipline just as in any other. As several other posters have commented, many of the alleged abuses in TB racing (drugs, overwork, working too young, etc.) occur in other high dollar performance industries.

    Racing itself is not de facto cruel. The horses love to run (once past the bush tracks, no horse is successful that doesn't like his job and isn't good at it) and most successful horses have had their natural competitive instincts sharpened to where they *want* to win, and will dig in and fight to get out in front.

    There are a couple of places where I think criticism of the industry is entirely warranted. One is racing and training 2 year olds. Bear in mind that I am in the US, where two year racing starts in May. Some of the other posters are from parts of the world where two year racing is not as common.

    Two is the number of TB foals produced compared to the actual number that make it to the track at all. There's probably an analogy to QH breeding for show or some other breeds and discplines, but it doesn't make the criticism against the TB industry any less valid.

    The problem is that racing is like a lottery, and breeders are producing lots of $1 scratch off tickets, hoping one will win the big prize. The fact that the "tickets" are flesh and blood, rather the cardboard, makes disposal of them much more problematic.

    All that said, if you could wave a magic wand over me and make me younger, thinner and sounder there's nothing I'd rather be doing than galloping racehorses again. Nothing, and I mean *nothing* compares to the thrill of working a horse from the gate.

    I had wonderful experiences at the farm and at the track, rode some very, very good horses and met some great horsepeople. (Also, some not so great, but, again, *any* discipline.)

    I love watching racing, because I have some understanding of the intricacies and what's involved and what it took to get the horses and jockeys on that track.

    Would I like to see some reasonable reforms in racing, ones the benefitted or protected the horses? Sure. Do I think non horseman should make decisions about what's good or right for racing? Not so much.
         
        03-17-2012, 04:15 PM
      #40
    Weanling
    I love racing...however, I don't love the industry. There is nothing mroe amazing to me than sitting at the rail at the crack of dawn and just listening to the sound of hooves pounding the ground. It's an out of body experience for me. I love the atmosphere too. The trainers and horses I've worked with have been takin good care of. However, I still wish they wouldn't start running them so early and pumping them with all sorts of performance enhancements. There are even owners who give their horses alcohol. My horse was in a study at the University of Minnesota studying the effects of alcohol on their bodies bein taken orally verus intravaineously (sp?)

    Also, I obviously have a problem with these beautiful and powerful horses ending up at an auction and eventually a slaughterhouse. Very sad.
         

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