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        09-29-2013, 03:02 PM
      #1
    Foal
    Horse Seller Issues

    Hi,

    I have recently bought a horse that I was leasing for around 4 years, I will call her Amber. As part of sale I was under the impression that all her blankets, bridles, and basic equipment except the saddle would be coming with her. I have signed a bill of sale and have a contract with the barn owner for boarding there. All papers were signed around 2 weeks ago with witnesses, no issues with her items coming into my possession.


    After purchasing another winter blanket for my horse she pretty much told me that she can sell the old one because I don't need 2 blankets for Amber. While I have a relatively good friendship with her previous owner I am at a loss for what to do. She is talking as if she still owns Amber and has rights to use her when ever she feels. The reason I bought Amber was she could no longer afford anything to do with horses and was leaving "the horse world" totally. She sold Amber to me and her other horse is leaving tomorrow to an entirely different barn. She has also said that she can still go out to see this other horse as she sees fit.

    I don't want to lose a good friend but this is kind of rough on me. I paid 150 a month to lease Amber for 4 years, now her previous owner thinks she can use her when ever at no cost. If anyone has any advice please let me know.
         
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        09-29-2013, 03:07 PM
      #2
    Green Broke
    I would straighten that out asap so there are no misunderstandings. Make sure the stable knows that she should not have access to your horse. I would lock up or remove your possessions so she does not take them. Your horse comes first and you do not need friends like that.
    If you don't mind her riding amber charge her the 150.00 a month lease fee. I would cut all ties personally so you do not have to stress about this.
         
        09-29-2013, 03:08 PM
      #3
    Yearling
    If it wasn't in the sales contract that she could use Amber then , legally she can't Amber is no longer horse, if she wants to ride her she can work out a lease with you or should not have sold her. Personally I see no problem with her VISITING Amber but FROM THE GROUND. As for the blanket, if it was sold to you, it is your property and she has no rights to it. She's not being a good friend by any means. I agree with churumbeque that you should lock the blankets away and let the BM and BO and anyone else it may concern that this woman is not to ride Amber. If it escalates (she tries to take/sell the blanket and/or ride Amber) make it known that she is not to go anywhere near Amber and cut all connections.
         
        09-29-2013, 04:06 PM
      #4
    Yearling
    As above. She sold the horse to you. It's YOUR horse. That is all there is to it. She has no right whatsoever to do anything, ever, with the horse now. I would tell her that. Amber is your horse now and be clear that she has unequivocally ZERO rights to her. If this ruins your friendship, I think you will have to live with that. Who wants friends like that anyway?

    Like previous posters have said, also make it extremely clear to BO/BM that ex-owner does not have your permission to work with your horse.
         
        09-29-2013, 04:16 PM
      #5
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    Hi Atarou. Did the bill of sale list items specifically or just mention Amber? If only Amber was mentioned, it makes it more difficult to argue ownership.

    I know it's not something anyone really wants to do but you need to establish your territory (as it were) sooner than later. I had something like that happen when I bought my first horse - the owner (I'm sure he only sold because he was strapped for cash) seemed to think he could still do stuff with her. Since there was no friendship involved, I didn't need to worry about terminating a friendship but only about my horse's welfare. Unfortunately, yours is a little more difficult as you have to find the balance between keeping the friendship (if you want it) and controlling your property. Perhaps start a conversation with her that goes something like this: "(Person's name), I would like to make sure we both understand the terms of the sale with regard to what tack went with Amber. Also, since you still seem interested in riding Amber, I was thinking that we could work out a lease agreement of ($/mth (identifying specific shared costs like farrier, vet, etc.)) for you to continue riding Amber. If you're not interested in leasing her, then you do not have the privilege of riding Amber."

    A variation of the second part would be to simply state "you do realize that now you have sold Amber to me that you have given up the right to continue riding her and you do not have my permission to continue riding her."

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
         
        09-29-2013, 06:56 PM
      #6
    Trained
    I personally would make it clear to the precious owner as well as the BO that NOONE can ride or work with your horse but you. I personally think that sometimes there is really no middle ground, and this is one of those cases. This person feels entitled already, and to give them even an INCH, I think you are asking for trouble. If it were me-honestly-I would let them know that they have no further rights to Amber, and would move, and not let them know where I was. Some previous owners are great. I have one. Some-not so much, and end up ruining the work you put into the horse. They have no rights to ANYTHING, as long as you have it on the bill of sale.
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        09-29-2013, 07:06 PM
      #7
    Trained
    Nip it in the bud now, this friend thinks she can sell a horse and still use it, she needs to learn what a "sale" means.
         
        09-29-2013, 11:11 PM
      #8
    Green Broke
    I'd probably say something to hint at if first, rather than all out out demand she stay away.

    Something like "Oh, if you ever miss Amber and want to visit her, give me a call so we can arrange a time for you to see her".

    As for the gear I'd just be up front with her. Something like, "When I purchased Amber I was under the impression that I was also purchasing all the gear and rugs I use with her, but it seems that isn't the case. Can we discuss now what comes with Amber and what doesn't, and make note of it so I know what is now solely mine to use, like Amber is now, and return your things now that I'm no longer leasing from you" which would hopefully reinforce Amber is only used for you, and you'll be able to make a signed list of everything that is yours.

    If she doesn't want to give up anything, well I'd probably let it go and move on. Try not to "borrow" things so that your relationship is more formal. If you're borrowing her things she'll think she can borrow your things, like Amber.
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        09-29-2013, 11:24 PM
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    Originally Posted by Atarou    
    Hi,

    I have recently bought a horse that I was leasing for around 4 years, I will call her Amber. As part of sale I was under the impression that all her blankets, bridles, and basic equipment except the saddle would be coming with her. I have signed a bill of sale and have a contract with the barn owner for boarding there. All papers were signed around 2 weeks ago with witnesses, no issues with her items coming into my possession.


    After purchasing another winter blanket for my horse she pretty much told me that she can sell the old one because I don't need 2 blankets for Amber. While I have a relatively good friendship with her previous owner I am at a loss for what to do. She is talking as if she still owns Amber and has rights to use her when ever she feels. The reason I bought Amber was she could no longer afford anything to do with horses and was leaving "the horse world" totally. She sold Amber to me and her other horse is leaving tomorrow to an entirely different barn. She has also said that she can still go out to see this other horse as she sees fit.

    I don't want to lose a good friend but this is kind of rough on me. I paid 150 a month to lease Amber for 4 years, now her previous owner thinks she can use her when ever at no cost. If anyone has any advice please let me know.
    Harden your heart and your spine. Tell her to stay away from your horse and your things or you will file charges on her. She is NOT a friend, let alone a good friend. Kick her to the curb, pronto.
         
        09-30-2013, 08:49 AM
      #10
    Green Broke
    You either bought the items with the horse or you didn't. If you did there's no takebacks or whatever. She sold it to you, it's yours. The horse is also yours. It's not her business how many blankets you have. If she takes one and sells it, that's theft.

    Make the boundaries very clear. Yes you helped her out by buying the horse but this is not a partnership.
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