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        02-06-2013, 11:27 PM
      #21
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    If you are using the video to validate your statements then it most definitely IS up for critique and folks are allowed to give their opinion on it. Personally, if PETA has its name on it, it's immediately suspect in my book. *shrugs*
         
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        02-06-2013, 11:31 PM
      #22
    Green Broke
    I might also add having the funding to regulate and inspect kill plants would be a better answer rather than "banning" horse slaughter like PETA advocates.
         
        02-06-2013, 11:34 PM
      #23
    Foal
    I agree but many on this forum are pro slaughter so you have to tread lightly no need for a debate.
    IMO he had no right to email you that and it shows how rude he is, im sorry I was taught if you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all and you were not asking his opinion.
         
        02-06-2013, 11:36 PM
      #24
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    Originally Posted by daviskryan    
    Thank you for a well thought out answer, AlexS. I do appreciate that, and I might add that it brings up some better points than the "over 1000 jobs been lost in the US" statement in the e-mail.

    So lets say slaughter houses do need to exist, that still leaves us with the inhumane treatment in which the slaughter houses go about the killing. Not to mention the days and weeks leading up to the slaughter.
    Well there's the thing. I don't have all the answers. The short answer is I don't know.

    I believe that there needs to be a holding period of some length before horses are slaughtered. Stolen horses show up, people save others, others are sold and have new lives. Meds need time to get out of the horses system etc.

    By the way, the saving horses from the holding pens is a MASSIVE scam in my opinion. Several rescues work to do this, and I believe it to be nonsense. Another Chance For Horses (AC4H, google that name and scam) and Camelot are the big ones that come to mind. They take a fee for saving the horse. The horse that the meat man bought for $25, is now a $1-2k horse. The 'rescues' and the meat man get this money, allowing the meat man to make a bigger profit and ship more horses. It's such a scam. A better system would be to rehome the horses before the meat man has them, outbid him at the auction, don't line his pocket after he has bought them. Make it not profitable for him. The current system is a joke, and it annoys me immensely.


    I don't choose to watch slaughter videos. I don't like it, but I see it as a necessary evil. I'd rather not see it.
    But heck I enjoy my beef and chicken, and I am sure not good things happen to them too. If I had enough money to own the land, I'd raise and send my own meat to slaughter. That way I'd know the animals had a good life and were cared for, and that they were not full of all sorts of things I'd rather my family didn't consume. If everyone was vegan, there would be no cows.

    Personally I'd rather the US open up the slaughter plants again. Horses would not travel as far, it would be kinder for it to be over quicker. I'd like to see it very regulated, and as humane as it can be.

    My horse would not see a slaughter plant, if that's in my control. But I don't think it is. It's very possible I will sell him, and he would be sold quite a few times in his life, I can't control that really as I would sell if I didn't have the income to give him the care he deserves. If it's in my control, I would put him to sleep quietly and in his home. However he's only 8, it's unlikely I will see that end with him.

    I am also not the person who would dump their old broken horse at an auction. But I can't control other people, and something needs to happen to those horses.

    I am a foster parent of teenagers. I well understand that there is not enough homes for human children. Many of my kids come from detention (kiddie jail), not because they have committed a crime (although some have) but because they need a bed while a foster home is found. Many are there for close to 6 months to a year, as there are not enough homes available.
    If we (as a society) can't even look after our kids, we are a long way from looking after our animals.
         
        02-06-2013, 11:36 PM
      #25
    Foal
    Thank you for your time here on the forum... however it seems as if I may as well be talking to a brick wall. We've acknowledged that I am aware that there are TOO many horses and no where for all of them to go. I KNOW what that means. I also know that I've since made that perfectly evident, and you are STILL making statements suggesting otherwise. That being said, I think it's better that I not be here.
         
        02-06-2013, 11:43 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    I agree with pretty much every sentiment expressed by the person who sent you that e-mail. Closing the slaughter houses was one of the worst things to happen to the horse world in quite some time. There has been a huge jump in the number of death or starvation cases, and it just keeps getting worse and worse. There are just too many horses flooding the market, and such a down economy there just aren't enough homes for them all.

    Even if it took a week long trip to get to and to go through a slaughter house, while maybe painful and frightening, it is over much more quickly than being left in a stall out of sight to just starve to death over a couple months time.
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        02-06-2013, 11:43 PM
      #27
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by daviskryan    
    Thank you for your time here on the forum... however it seems as if I may as well be talking to a brick wall. We've acknowledged that I am aware that there are TOO many horses and no where for all of them to go. I KNOW what that means. I also know that I've since made that perfectly evident, and you are STILL making statements suggesting otherwise. That being said, I think it's better that I not be here.
    We all have different opinions it doesnt mean mine is right more than yours. Don't leave because you disagree on one thing. I am against slaughter and like others said none of us have all the answers and if we did we most likely wouldnt need slaughter.
         
        02-06-2013, 11:48 PM
      #28
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    Originally Posted by daviskryan    
    Thank you for your time here on the forum... however it seems as if I may as well be talking to a brick wall. We've acknowledged that I am aware that there are TOO many horses and no where for all of them to go. I KNOW what that means. I also know that I've since made that perfectly evident, and you are STILL making statements suggesting otherwise. That being said, I think it's better that I not be here.
    I think maybe I misunderstood you. This isn't personal to you or I, I am not arguing with you. I thought we were having a conversation.


    I'd rather horses not be slaughtered either, but I don't see an alternative. I'd be all about hearing an alternative, but I can't think of one, and no one has ever suggested one and there have been a great many conversations about this here.

    Personally I'd rather go after the cause rather than the effect. There are a great many breeders who breed because they can. There are others who are well aware where their horses end up, but it doesn't matter, they are making a buck or two. There are breeders who breed for a pretty color, without giving a hoot about performance, or anything other than the color of the horse.
         
        02-07-2013, 12:08 AM
      #29
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by daviskryan    

    Now realize please that this project is simply a photography book that I am putting together focusing on the beauty, innocence, and gentleness of these impressive animals. 100% of any proceeds made from the book will be going directly to organizations such as Canter USA and New Vocations to help ensure humane treatment to horses. Out of the blue I get a message like this. Awful! Anyway, thank you for listening to my rant! Hopefully getting it out there will help release some of the anger that quickly ensued after reading this.
    "Horses are amazing animals and possess such gentleness. I am creating a hard cover book, showcasing photos of horses, however moreso than simply photos, I look to provoke feeling from readers. Also in the book I will bring awareness to the horror that is the slaughter of such innocent creatures."
    Taken from your "project". So are you putting in photos of the actual slaughters?

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    Originally Posted by daviskryan    
    Hmmm, seriously? Please explain why one would be pro-horse slaughter?
    Most things have been covered already. Less unwanted horses. Less horses starving and neglected horses. Better market for horse value. And more.

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    Originally Posted by daviskryan    
    COWCHICK77, who cares what you THINK the video is about or WHO produced it. Did you watch it? Regardless of whether you think there should or shouldn't be slaughter houses; as BornToRun so generously pointed out, this PARTICULAR slaughter house has VERY inhumane practices. It is very difficult to say otherwise...
    That was pretty rude. PETA and similar agencies will used the worst scenarios that will promote their view. They use them to pull on people's emotions even if the video is old, outdated, and the plant is no longer open. They won't use videos of plants that do it humanely.
         
        02-07-2013, 12:26 AM
      #30
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    Quite a few people have made comments about PETA without really explaining them, I will try. If you are still reading...

    PETA claims to collect money for local shelters, they don't. They don't outright saw it, it's implied, but the shelters don't see that money.

    They believe that riding horses is cruel, and horses should be wild. Many of us here have a problem with that. Obviously some horse riders are cruel, most are not. We love our horses, they are our passion and we often put ourselves into hardship to care for them.


    Many years ago my local PETA broke into a place that had foxes for fur coats. They released all of the foxes who decimated the local wildlife, as that number of foxes were not meant to be in that community. Foxes are rather evil animals, if they get into a hen house, they kill every hen before taking the one they want for their meal. It was really rough on all the wildlife, and it took time for it to recover.

    PETA is not how they present themselves as being.
         

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