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    12-06-2012, 05:19 PM
  #11
Trained
It's considered poor people meat, in France, in Germany(always was rather regional there, coal mines and steel mills country), Italy also, but there it's doctor prescribed for anemia, and weightlifters eat it for the higher protein.
Breeding for meat has been done for a long time, pretty much all heavy breeds in France are bred thus way, and in Italy, the TPR and Murghese are traditionally bred for meat. Only recently are they being used as driving and riding horses, the latter especially for dressage, since they are a little like Friesians.
The passports: the owner gets to decide if the horse is for human consumption or not, if yes, it can be changed, if not, it can't. The ones declared for human consumption cannot have all medications, and every treatment has to be recorded, signed and stamped by a vet.
Most racehorses are declared not for human consumption, but there are ways to go around that, and they're being slaughtered by the thousands.
As with everything, if there are rules, they're being broken.......
     
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    12-06-2012, 05:22 PM
  #12
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You're right Verona. They breed for meat in some European countries - draft type horses selectively bred in the same way livestock is for top quality
Most of the pathetic creatures that go that way are only used in pet food, feeding zoo animals, rendering plants.
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    12-06-2012, 05:42 PM
  #13
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July is not too terribly far away. So I have some concerns, who is going to control/monitor/enforce the documents it looks like we need to have? How will we hear about them? Etc.

And then, we still have the problem of our unwanted horses.
     
    12-06-2012, 05:49 PM
  #14
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In the UK its controlled by DEFRA and we had plently of pre warning from all sorts of places though it took a long time to enforce and still loopholes though they are getting harder to find and the fines if caught don't make it worthwhile really. All UK new born foals now have to be microchipped too
Essentially no animals will be accepted for slaughter for meat going into EU countries without the correct documents.
I assume random tests will be done on the meat in the same way it is for other livestock and milk
     
    12-06-2012, 05:58 PM
  #15
Banned
So will that mean that only horses who are going to be shipped will need the documents, or all horses?
We don't have any kind of an organized system here, so I have no idea how horse owners will hear about it.
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    12-06-2012, 06:36 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by jaydee    
I assume random tests will be done on the meat in the same way it is for other livestock and milk
I'm not sure how much good testing would do. The half life of bute, for example, is less than 8 days. I'm not sure how small an amount a test can pick up, but after 60 days, there would be so little bute left (around 1/5th of 1% of the dose) I doubt it could be detected.

I keep wondering about TB's...it's no secret how many TB's go to slaughter in the US, and in Australia TB's are something like 80% of the slaughter horses if I remember corrrectly. So what is going to happen to them all? In the case of TB's, the new standards could actually change the whole methodology of breeding - that would be good IMO, but an industry changing development nonetheless...
     
    12-06-2012, 06:42 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
So will that mean that only horses who are going to be shipped will need the documents, or all horses?
We don't have any kind of an organized system here, so I have no idea how horse owners will hear about it.
Ditto this.

I live in a very rural area, people don't microchip dogs or cats, I"m not sure how one would ever get them to microchip horses.

But if this is what needs to be done to keep our safe... Our horses will never leave the country under our ownership, I can't guarantee that if a new owner gets one.

Will passports be transferable between owners? If I say "no" on a horse and then something happens to me, the horse is sold, can the new owner say "yes"
     
    12-06-2012, 06:46 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by Conway    
Will passports be transferable between owners? If I say "no" on a horse and then something happens to me, the horse is sold, can the new owner say "yes"
Which also brings up liability and penalty issues...
     
    12-06-2012, 06:47 PM
  #19
Foal
I am totally against horse slaughter and would never eat a horse especially where its against my religion
I don't see the issue with wild mustangs etc.
     
    12-06-2012, 06:54 PM
  #20
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Originally Posted by luv my horse hinke    
i am totally against horse slaughter and would never eat a horse especially where its against my religion
I don't see the issue with wild mustangs etc.

Leaving religion out of it, would you rather horses starve to death in pastures where they are never fed, never have vet care or hoof care or human attention?

I think that is where most people say "But they can be adopted, they can be rescued, they need forever homes." I love animals, always have, but there are just not enough homes for all of the unwanted horses in this country. The rescuers need rescuing at this point.

Horse slaughter has its place (IMO) I just personally don't like the thought of raising them specifically for slaughter. Then again it sounds better than a family's companion having to be sold due to hardships and winding up in slaughter.
     

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