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post #11 of 32 Old 11-13-2011, 06:10 PM
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For it. Too many unwanted ones being shipped to Mexico facing a far more stressful end than if it were done in the US. If it could go hand in hand with more responsible breeding, that would be nice.

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post #12 of 32 Old 11-13-2011, 06:32 PM
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Yes it does Spirit11.

I'm not against people eating horses, but I am against industrialized slaughter for the following reasons:

1. There is simply no humane way to do it in an industrialized setting. Horses kick each other in close quarters, they panic blindly, and they can avoid the bolt much easier than a cow because of their longer necks. I have no problem with people shooting their horses at home because that way the horse (usually) doesn't see it coming. There is no possible way to send a horse to a slaughter plant without them seeing it coming.

2. The "out of sight, out of mind" problem. What slaughter does is free up space for careless breeders to create more horses. If they couldn't just send their unwanted horses off in a truck, they would eventually run out of space and have to stop breeding (or start shooting). My mom doesn't care about the environment at all, but when the city talked about reducing her garbage collection to every two weeks, she immediately started talking about ways to reduce garbage. Same principle with unwanted horses. When people can just make their garbage magically disappear, they don't think twice about creating more.

3. The entire "horses were better taken care of when there was slaughter" argument just doesn't fly. First, the US does still have slaughter - the only difference is that horses travel a longer distance to get there. Second, kill buyers do not pay well for starving horses. The horses you see starving now got that way because of the economy, not the slaughter ban. Those horses belong to people who can't afford them anymore but don't want to send them to slaughter. If the owners of those horses were fine with sending them to slaughter, they would have done so while the horses still had meat on them.
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This subject has been exhausted on every horse web site on the internet. Discussing it here does nothing to change the situation. The politicians need to be addressed en mass in order for change to happen. The slaughter houses are necessary but how the animals are transported can be changed, and how they are treated once they arrive at the plant. If we don't have slaughter houses horses and other livestock will be turned loose to fend. God help the person who comes aroun a bend at night and hits one. There are too many moose collisions, we don't need to add horses to this.
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I'm for it 100 percent.

I agree with you, Ponyboy, that there are some who used the slaughter industry to "free up space", but would disagree that the starving horses are due to economy and not the slaughter ban.

Maybe in some areas meat auctions are alive and well, but at the last auction I went to (middle Colorado), I watched 4 or 5 full weight horses go through and not even get a 20.00 bid - back in the day they would have gone for 500 easy. We are simply too far away for a meat hauler to drive here and then to a border. So these horses went back with their original owners, who will most probably turn them out for the winter on a 200 acre high desert pasture with no shelter (not even trees), little water, and nothing in the fields that will sustain them. And they will starve.

There are always horses that have lived out their usefulness, and in a perfect world their owners would reward them with retirement. But horses are expensive if treated well, and not many owners can afford to keep retirees 1 and 2 while financing the show career of 3. A humane death is best, but slaughter avoids the prolonged and painful deaths that the chronically sick, lame, or dangerous horses certainly face now.

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post #15 of 32 Old 11-13-2011, 07:23 PM
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I am for it. I think there are ways to make it less brutal, though to call it "humane" may always be a bit of a stretch on the word. No matter how few horses are bred, there will ALWAYS be horses that their best purpose in this world is meat. Culls on the grounds of confirmation, temperament or genetic defect need to have a reasonable route for disposal, for lack of a better term.

I would also like to see breeders hold themselves to a higher standard and failing that, have a standard enforced somehow. I think that without a decent show record from a recognized association, be it breed association or show association like USDF, a horse should be permitted to reproduce. It does not matter what size the operation is, there are out and out too many "no purpose" horses being produced and that is where the issues of overpopulation stem from. There will be horses that are not up the standards of their stellar parents to fill the niche of back yard pet, school horse, or companion.
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post #16 of 32 Old 11-13-2011, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Spirit11 View Post
I heard of a practice of breeding a broodmare at the same time that you breed a show horse, race horse, whatever. When the babies are born you can take the baby away from the broodmare and give her the show horse's baby to raise. That way the show horse isn't out of commission for so long. The babies of the broodmares are then disposed of, sold, or send to auction. Does this actually happen/still happen?

I have never hear of this happening (that doesn't mean that it no longer happens). But, in my experience, if a breeder wants to breed their show horse and keep it showing they'll just do in-vitro and use a surrogate mare. That way they can cancle out the possibility of losing the mare really at all during pregnancy and the mare can continue showing. Thus, increasing the value of the mare and future foal (if the mare is successful).

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post #17 of 32 Old 11-13-2011, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Spirit11 View Post
Animals are not disposable.
Perhaps, but they are edible. Just about any animal is considered dinner somewhere in the world. Horses are not exempt from that fact.

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Sadly true- many nice, well trained saddle horses show up at auction, and not all of them wind up in new loving homes that will pamper them for the rest of their lives.

If horses are going to be killed, or rather, when all those horses are killed, I'd rather it be done without shipping them for days to get to their final destination. Unfortunately it's also cheaper to just feed a horse for another month than to get a vet out to euthanize and dispose of a horse too. It's a crappy situation all around.
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post #18 of 32 Old 11-14-2011, 07:38 AM
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Backyard breeders and big time show breeders are to blame for over producing, combined with the economy and here we are. It's sad any way you look at it. Is slaughter the answer to excessive/ignorant breeding?
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post #19 of 32 Old 11-14-2011, 09:23 AM
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Here's my a minimum:
It is evident that there will always be an excess of population in domesticated animals as long as human beings remain a factor in their breeding.

At least in horse slaughter they can be used for meat or other products, and their deaths are not in entirety a waste.

We don't get that from the piles of cats and dogs euthanized daily due to human selfishness.
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post #20 of 32 Old 11-14-2011, 09:54 AM
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I must say, where I live, in the entire country, there are a maximum of 3 slaughter houses for horses, and they are almost never used, which I think is a wonderful thing.

However, I am very much for it. While I would rather that every horse on this planet lives out their days in a lush meadow with lots of love, I know that it simply isn't a reality. I would much rather these horses who, to put it bluntly, "have no use anymore" were killed quickly and without suffering, than to waste away in an abandoned stall until they die. When they are slaughtered, their bodies can be used for many things, which is very helpful.

Conditions in most slaughterhouses are not what people think. The horses in most of them are actually very well cared for until it's their time, and I'm sure that the horses themselves would rather it be quick and painless like it is in a slaughterhouse, where I believe the workers do their best to keep the animal from suffering.

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