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    11-14-2011, 11:16 AM
  #21
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Originally Posted by ponyboy    
First, the US does still have slaughter - the only difference is that horses travel a longer distance to get there.
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    11-14-2011, 11:20 AM
  #22
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Originally Posted by ponyboy    
First, the US does still have slaughter - the only difference is that horses travel a longer distance to get there.
It's legal in the US to have your own animals slaughtered for personal consumption (except in CA and OR), but there are no equine slaughter houses still open on US soil.

If you want to have yours processed, you'll have to find a local slaughter house that will agree to do it.

As far as the slaughter/no slaughter debate, I'm not getting into it again for the umpteenth time.
     
    11-14-2011, 12:24 PM
  #23
Weanling
I am amazed at the pro response. I would have thought it would have been more negative. I've been a farrier and trainer for over 40 years. I can tell you how it used to be. When a horse outlived it's usefulness or became too disabled to be used it was taken to the local horse auction or sold to a horse trader who took it to the auction where it was bought by a slaughter house buyer. Either way, the owner came out with a few dollars. Today the slaughter houses are gone and it costs $800 to dispose of a horse though cremation. That's more than many fit horses are worth in today's economy. Sadly, most of the rendering plants that used to pick up dead animals have also gone the way of the slaughter houses. In our state it is against the law to bury or burn a dead horse. If you have a ranch you are permitted to put it down away from the dwelling and allow the scavengers to dispose of it. People do bury dead horses illegally which threatens the water table and many are being turned loose on public lands. When I first started shoeing there was a type of coarse, hammer headed pinto that we would run into ever so often. They were the rankest things alive and you took your life in your hands to try to trim one. I believe they were descendants from the Indian herds that the army purposely polluted with rank draft horse stallions. One year the price of horse meat went sky high and every one of those horses disappeared almost over night. I never saw one again and it was a good thing. Horse slaughter served a purpose. It is the demise of the rendering plants that have caused the real problem. It used to be we could have the vet humanely put the horse down and then have the rendering plant pick it up. They used to do it for free and then started charging $50. Today there is no good alternative.
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    11-14-2011, 12:39 PM
  #24
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I wrote a horse slaughter bill for student congress once. I posted it on here awhile ago.

This Years Congress Bills For Slaughter

That was when I was a freshman (Two year ago) and I didn't re-read the thread so there may be some things I tweaked, but that basically explains my stand on things. I don't remember what I did with it after that.
     
    11-14-2011, 01:00 PM
  #25
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I seem to be in the minority, but I'm totally against it. Always have been.

I'm curious to know how people would feel about slaughtering unwanted cats and dogs, because it's the same concept.
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    11-14-2011, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jessabel    
I'm curious to know how people would feel about slaughtering unwanted cats and dogs, because it's the same concept.
I'm for that too. Not trying to be glib, but we kill unwanted cats and dogs by the millions in the US anyway, at least their bodies could go to feeding some of the world's hungry and be useful that way.

IDEALLY we'd just not breed/allow animals to breed to the extent that we have so many unwanted animals that we need to kill them like we do now in the first place, but that's a long slow process to get there, and it doesn't stop the killing in the meanwhile.
     
    11-14-2011, 01:43 PM
  #27
Trained
Millions of unwanted cats and dogs are slaughtered every year, and it's too bad in this country that we don't eat them. In asian countries they cook em up asap! And hardly have a population problem. I hear the "I wish all horses could live out their days in green pastures". But accidents happen, breedings go wrong, some animals are just unfit to become sound sane "friends" for life. There has to be a solution, killing them and eating them, salvaging them for their parts, and sparing them from suffering by slaughtering them is the answer. The cold hard fact is that horses are livestock. I love mine to death but it irritates me to no end that I won't be able to profit off of their death when I have dumped thousands into their care and well being. That money goes back into the pot to take better care of my next horse, making sure they live LONG happy lives.
20 years ago my first horse cost $505. 5 dollars more than the meat buyer was willing to pay. She was the most incredible grade horse that ever lived, the man who ran her through the sale barn knew what he was doing when he bred her parents and I'm glad he got his monies worth. Had I not been there, she would have been dog food. But dogs gotta eat too.
     
    11-14-2011, 04:38 PM
  #28
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Originally Posted by FlyGap    
Millions of unwanted cats and dogs are slaughtered every year, and it's too bad in this country that we don't eat them. In asian countries they cook em up asap! And hardly have a population problem. I hear the "I wish all horses could live out their days in green pastures". But accidents happen, breedings go wrong, some animals are just unfit to become sound sane "friends" for life. There has to be a solution, killing them and eating them, salvaging them for their parts, and sparing them from suffering by slaughtering them is the answer. The cold hard fact is that horses are livestock. I love mine to death but it irritates me to no end that I won't be able to profit off of their death when I have dumped thousands into their care and well being. That money goes back into the pot to take better care of my next horse, making sure they live LONG happy lives.
20 years ago my first horse cost $505. 5 dollars more than the meat buyer was willing to pay. She was the most incredible grade horse that ever lived, the man who ran her through the sale barn knew what he was doing when he bred her parents and I'm glad he got his monies worth. Had I not been there, she would have been dog food. But dogs gotta eat too.
"Profit from their death"? That's nice.
Horses are money pits. Of course you pour thousands of dollars into them. It comes with the territory and should be fully anticipated before you ever purchase one.

Horses have done our bidding for the past six thousand years. They deserve better.
     
    11-14-2011, 04:44 PM
  #29
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Originally Posted by Jessabel    
Horses have done our bidding for the past six thousand years. They deserve better.
So have oxen, yet I don't see anyone raising a paean to the lowly ox, or care that its kin the cattle get slaughtered and eaten by the millions.

Horses don't 'deserve better' any more than any other livestock. Just because you see them as pets, doesn't make that opinion right for the majority.
     
    11-14-2011, 04:48 PM
  #30
Trained
That was a harsh way to put it, but it's the truth. That "profit" is what covers the final vet bills that were spent finding EVERY POSSIBLE cure or solution to the cause of eventual death. Like said before, now it's cheaper to dump the horse or allow it to suffer instead of try and help the animal.
BTW I currently have two rescues in my pasture along with my trail and show horses. All in all I've adopted and re-homed 15 total and wish I could afford to take in more. How many unwanted horses have you taken in?
     

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