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    View Poll Results: Are you for or against horse slaughter?
    For Humane Horse Slaughter 78 86.67%
    Against Horse Slaughter All Together 10 11.11%
    It Really Doesn't Bother Me Either Way 2 2.22%
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        11-16-2012, 04:48 PM
      #31
    Weanling
    Wouldn't these vets refusing to euth a healthy horse be counter productive to your proposal?? Like said earlier in the thread, its usually young and healthy that make it onto the kill trucks.. I for one would stop using a vet who declined to euth a horse of mine, healthy or not. Its not his desicion to make its mine as the horses owner.


    I have had several horses in my life that were just"ok" ..as in ok we rode well together but just not keepers for one reason or another or I grew out of them.. should I have kept all of these horses because they were decent and they served me for a couple years or more?? NOT going to happen. If that were the case, I would not have been able to come into ownership of my lifer..because I would have been too busy with less than steller (for me) horses. I Have only hauled two horses to shady auctions and that's only because there was no market for these idiots...and why give them away to someone else who will just haul em in..I may as well pocket the cash.

    And I am not sure what world you live in, but just because people can keep a sound horse does not mean they can keep an unsound one (usually $$ comes with unsoundness).. horses are a luxury.. not a nessesity. And I'll be ****ed if I'm going to "just deal with it" and throw my money away on feeding and caring for a horse I am not in love with that I can't ride. As far as leasing, that's good in theory..BUT what if the lease fall through for whatever reason...and coming into another leasee is proving difficult... and you can only afford one horse (because of boarding or space), but you purchased another horse your level with said lease money... then what? Deal with it.. seriously you do your horses NO FAVORS when you financially strap yourself.. and that to me is just as irresponsible and BAD for the horses as over breeding. I get that unforseeable crap happens but leasing isnt an exact science.. owning horses isnt an exact science.. If you can only afford one horse, bringing on a second horse while hanging on a lease can have some bad consequences- preventable consequences..
         
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        11-16-2012, 07:06 PM
      #32
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by PunksTank    
    If you follow the auctions you'll notice it's mid-aged healthy horses going to slaughter. I just watch the most beautiful Belgian, street-carriage broke find his way to a kill buyer for $25 my fingers are still crossed a rescue will find him before his truck leaves on monday. There are 2 Beautiful young Appaloosas, young broke to ride, rode through W/T/C in the pen at the Camelot auctions this week. Why?! Why are horses that good at an auction?!
    This made me think of another thing. How many times do we see where someone (even rescues) took in an injured and/or abused animal that is so maimed that they will never have a real life (horses needing prosthetic legs, horses so badly burned that it takes months for skin to grow back, horses that have foundered so horribly that their coffin bones are pointing out the soles of their feet....horses that should really be put down). Then, not only does the person/rescue spend thousands and thousands of dollars just trying to save the horse's life, but they continue to pour thousands into the animal over the next years by way of medications and treatments just to keep the animal somewhat comfortable...forget pain-free or functional.

    I get a part of it, you see an injured animal and you want to help, but how many good and useful horses, horses like that Appy or the Belgian that Punks posted about, could have been saved with that $10,000 they spent on the surgery for Pookie's leg just so he can sort of walk on it again and, at most, end up a pasture pet for the next 5-20 years?


    I agree with a lot of your points, Punks. IMHO, slaughter should not be the end-all of solutions and, in an ideal world, I wish it wasn't a necessity. But, until people stop breeding junk just because they can, nothing is going to change....and people will never stop breeding junk because people are stupid *shrug*.

    Heck, just browse around the breeding forum here. Countless posts by people who have no business owning one horse are asking what of those "purty colored studs" to breed their "darling sweet mare" to for the "kyootest babbyyy". Then, when someone tells them that they really shouldn't breed at all because their mare has serious conformational faults and that list of $100 studs aren't worth the poop they produce, they get all huffy and no doubt breed her anyway with no plan for when the baby gets beyond the cute fuzzy stage. Then, when they find out that the cute fuzzy baby isn't nice and easy to handle like a loyal puppy, they ruin his training and, once he's a dangerous menace, dump him like a broken VCR.

    So, I do what I can do and try my best to advise people who ask my advice on the subject. If they don't take my advice, which they often don't, then there isn't much I can do. And, of course, a person like me has no sway at all over big industry breeders like those of racehorses and show horses that might produce 1 winner out of 100.
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        11-16-2012, 07:06 PM
      #33
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    Originally Posted by peppersgirl    
    I have had several horses in my life that were just"ok" ..as in ok we rode well together but just not keepers for one reason or another or I grew out of them.. should I have kept all of these horses because they were decent and they served me for a couple years or more?? NOT going to happen. If that were the case, I would not have been able to come into ownership of my lifer..because I would have been too busy with less than steller (for me) horses. I Have only hauled two horses to shady auctions and that's only because there was no market for these idiots...and why give them away to someone else who will just haul em in..I may as well pocket the cash.
    I'm not referring to a quality horse who can get a home. You're right most horses that go to slaughter are middle-aged, sound, healthy horses. Those go there because someone decided to auction the horse rather than take the time and effort to sell or 'free-to-good-home' the horse. This is just laziness in my opinion - or greed, trying to bleed the last penny they can out of the horse. There is no way to take a horse and be able to sell it a few years later and make back what you spent on them - unless you're taking a young horse and turning them into a serious competitor - even that has a low profit margin based on the money you invest competing and the high level of specialized care they need to make it to those levels.
    I'm not saying every human should keep any horse they've ever owned for all their lives - that's just silly, there are people and horses who just don't click. If you no longer want the horse, sell it or rehome - don't just off it at an auction where it could easily be taken to the slaughter buyers.

    In all honesty I don't know many individual horse owners who would auction off a horse they're selling. Most people who own just a few horses will make sure to find them homes, even if it comes at a loss.
    The people bringing horses to auctions are the big businesses - the rent-a-horse type places, they buy a load of horses in the spring and auction them all off in the fall so they don't need to be fed all winter. They are groups like the Amish who use horses like farm machinery, they breed and break horses fast and sell off the used up ones before they're 10 - the lucky ones become city carriage tour horses or wedding carriage horses, but the majority go to slaughter. Or the racing industry (do I even need to go into the cheap races?).
    Those are where the majority of slaughter-bound horses come from.
         
        11-16-2012, 07:31 PM
      #34
    Foal
    Hi Piaffe

    What will make horse slaughter humane in your opinion?
         
        11-16-2012, 08:11 PM
      #35
    Started
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by smrobs    
    This made me think of another thing. How many times do we see where someone (even rescues) took in an injured and/or abused animal that is so maimed that they will never have a real life (horses needing prosthetic legs, horses so badly burned that it takes months for skin to grow back, horses that have foundered so horribly that their coffin bones are pointing out the soles of their feet....horses that should really be put down). Then, not only does the person/rescue spend thousands and thousands of dollars just trying to save the horse's life, but they continue to pour thousands into the animal over the next years by way of medications and treatments just to keep the animal somewhat comfortable...forget pain-free or functional.

    I get a part of it, you see an injured animal and you want to help, but how many good and useful horses, horses like that Appy or the Belgian that Punks posted about, could have been saved with that $10,000 they spent on the surgery for Pookie's leg just so he can sort of walk on it again and, at most, end up a pasture pet for the next 5-20 years?


    I agree with a lot of your points, Punks. IMHO, slaughter should not be the end-all of solutions and, in an ideal world, I wish it wasn't a necessity. But, until people stop breeding junk just because they can, nothing is going to change....and people will never stop breeding junk because people are stupid *shrug*.

    Heck, just browse around the breeding forum here. Countless posts by people who have no business owning one horse are asking what of those "purty colored studs" to breed their "darling sweet mare" to for the "kyootest babbyyy". Then, when someone tells them that they really shouldn't breed at all because their mare has serious conformational faults and that list of $100 studs aren't worth the poop they produce, they get all huffy and no doubt breed her anyway with no plan for when the baby gets beyond the cute fuzzy stage. Then, when they find out that the cute fuzzy baby isn't nice and easy to handle like a loyal puppy, they ruin his training and, once he's a dangerous menace, dump him like a broken VCR.

    So, I do what I can do and try my best to advise people who ask my advice on the subject. If they don't take my advice, which they often don't, then there isn't much I can do. And, of course, a person like me has no sway at all over big industry breeders like those of racehorses and show horses that might produce 1 winner out of 100.

    Everything you've just said I completely agree with! I really just wanted to post it all again!! XD I don't think I could have "liked" that enough!

    As for rescues with broken horses - you are absolutely right.
    At my rescue we have 15 broken horses, they came to us this way - but we are more of a sanctuary, our goal is to give our horses a place to die in loving arms. There are some, if I were the owner, I would put down, but I just help run the place and can only offer my input.
    We have one, who I love dearly, he is blind in both eyes, which was no bother - but he also has reoccurring abscesses in 3 out of his 4 feet, and there is always at least one that is hurting him. For months we could not find a farrier willing to do his feet, as he can not stand on 3 for long. When his feet finally got so long we decided it was time to just euthanize him a little miracle happened. A farrier showed up and trimmed his feet, she did a little on the first foot, when he was sore she went to the next, and the next - she circled him for over an hour before each foot was done. Now that his feet are a normal length again his abscesses burst much quicker, he is able to go outside again, but that's about it.
    I honestly don't know if I'd keep him alive if it were my choice, some days I see him struggle to stand up and think it's definitely time, but then he's nickering softly and galloping in his sleep - and I just don't think I have the heart to deprive him of any of his happy dreams.

    If we were a regular rescue who's goal was to rehome horses I think the choice would be more obvious - but the woman who owns/runs the farm is 63 this year and is doing this with just my help and a few teenage girls. 15 stalls is a lot to clean every day- and no money on top of it sure isn't fun. So when the last horse dies she will retire. I'll be taking over the rescue, but at that point our mission statement will change, we will no longer be a sanctuary but something more - I won't go into that novel today. XD

    Sorry this is so long, but what I'm driving at with the story of our blind old appy is that sometimes those amazing stories are the rays of hope that drive people to want to rescue - to want to see those amazing transformations and make a difference.

    There's a story it goes like this:
    A boy is walking down a long beach, picking up star fish and throwing them into the ocean.
    A man walks up and asks what he's doing.
    The boy says "the tide is going out and these starfish will dry up and die, so I'm throwing them back in the ocean."
    The man laughed at him and said "this beach is miles long, you won't make a difference"
    The boy shrugged and picked up another starfish as he threw it in he said "I made a difference for that one".

    I whole heartedly believe in that story. No one can save the world, but we CAN protect those that our under our control.
         

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