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    07-16-2012, 03:54 AM
An honours looks very nice on a resume :) lol.

That's awesome how your horse can do anything with just a rope halter! I hope to get my filly like that, but would like to have her used to a bridle as well just for that sense of security I guess and I wont be allowed to compete without a bit if I decide to go down that path with her. :)

Oh and don't worry im low on budget too, but it will be worth it in the end. :) (i hope)
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    07-16-2012, 03:59 AM
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Well, we've still got a lot to do in our training, for example, achieving a soft contact, rounding through the back, better hindquarter involvment, and I find it easier to do it with a soft sidepull than a rope halter, but we're good with w/t/c, all the transitions, basic disengaging/yielding, stops, back-ups, turns and jumping with a rope halter or with no headstall at all. My boy is 6, but he is from a slow maturing breed, so I let him live an easy life as a green-broke for a long time, and now I've started introducing him to a more serious training. For his own good, I hope. :)
    07-16-2012, 04:25 AM
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Your horse sounds lovely Saranda. Rosie is six and she can't do much. We're just working on basic yielding on the ground but she's not overly sensitive and everything has to be big for her. Where did you learn your training skills?

Has anyone had any experience with basic clicker training for horses? I did a bit with my dog but have never seen anyone do it with horses. Generally I don't think the idea would work well with most horses but Rosie loves food so much, she'll do anything for it.

I get low budget too - I've been living on very little for a long time now. The joys of being a student!

I thought I would be totally cut out for Honours, I had been planning on doing a PhD but the more I get into research the more I realise it isn't really for me. I like the idea of learning and sharing knowledge but not the tedious reality of research. I actually like essay writing a fair bit. I get really into and really excited about all these theories. If it was just writing an essay it'd be easy :(

I kind of think if I change topic to something I am more interested it might be better. I was trying to think of something to do with horses/horse world and sociology but came up with blanks. Any vague ideas?
    07-16-2012, 04:39 AM
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Snickers is just like that. Everything has to be big for him. But there is a cure - first cue comes really, really soft, and, if there is no reaction, the second is BIG. Not painful, of course, or something like that, just very intense, precise and fast. They learn to respond to the soft cue really fast, and they "need" everything big and loud just because they think they can dominate with their passive attitude.

My experience is actually not that big. I learned my basics from a couple of nice local NH trainers, who are now my friends. I also had a week of intense training here, with Victoria Johnson and the fantastic horses of Ingela Larsson Smith - it did me LOTS of good - Home . Since then I'm keeping close contact with my first trainers, who are always ready to give me advice in groundwork, and, as for riding, I take lessons from a professional dressage/jumping trainer to improve my skills. I am better in groundwork, though, and I try to experiment a lot, to find my feel and my connection to horses mostly through their psychology. My principle is that training is meant to help the horse realize his pride and power, and these elements then benefit both the horse and his rider/trainer. My sources of inspiration are Ingela Larsson Smith, Karen Rohlf, Mark Rashid, Honza Blaha, Klaus Ferdinand Hempfling, a bit of Clinton Anderson, but I started out as a Parelli student. Not that big fan of the P.P. Cult now, though, but he has some useful tips and tricks.
    07-16-2012, 09:34 AM
You are so lucky to have good NH trainers in your area !!

I agree with you, PP used to be a lot better than he is now...

I too really enjoy CA =]

All the NH trainers around here either board at or used to board at this parelli barn with a lot of wacky ideas. They believe that grass is bad for MOST horses. They turn them out on these narrow dirt tracks and feed them crappy hay. They are all skin and bone and some are beat up, because the tracks are so narrow by the water trough. There are also some really foot sore horses, because they believe no horse should be shod ever, for any reason. Then the poor horses hobble around lame for years and they do nothing about it. =[
    07-16-2012, 09:46 AM
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Gypsygirl, what you tell about that barn makes me feel very creepy about my first lesson barn, where I started out as a Parelli student. It is a strictly Parelli barn, but it has taken the path of WEIRD over the last few years. They ALSO believe that too much grass is bad for horses, so they are turned out in overgrazed pastures that are too small for the number of the horses they have, they feed horses crappy hay (and too little of it, especially, in winters, because they believe that the horses have to dig for some roots in the pastures!!! ), they often don't get enough water (again, mostly in winters, because they believe that horses get enough water from snow), some of the horses are really foot sore, back sore and lame, most of them are too thin, and nobody there does anything about it. And most of them are overworked in the lessons, working for even 4 or more hours a day - and, to top it, their training methods are very dominant and many of the horses are just scared into submission, with blank looks in their eyes. They openly admit that they train their horses to be heavy on the forehand, because thus they are supposed to be less motivated to run off with a beginner.

At first I didn't see everything that was wrong there, because I was a complete novice to the horse world then, I even worked as a stable hand for them for a summer, to pay for my lessons, but then the two trainers who still help me out sometimes pointed out what was happening to me and left the place. I stayed until I was able to buy Snickers from them, and then left, too, as fast as I could.

Yikes, is it some sort of a trend gone wrong??
    07-16-2012, 09:57 AM
Well im glad you and him got out of there in one piece !!

I don't know why people have to take things to such extremes while also being so close minded to any other ideas.

My farrier used to train a horse that the crazy-barn, but he stopped because people would work their horse at liberty who were not good at it while he was breaking in a 3yo !!!

I follow a lot of CA methods, and people at my barn think im crazy because they see a rope halter and think 'crazy parelli cult' I try to explain to them that im not part of that, but they are too close minded to understand.
    07-16-2012, 10:03 AM
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I'm glad about it too. He had developed some health problems there, but they were relatively minor and are now over, except for the thrush, which I'm still battling.

I just really wish those people would realize what are they doing and STOP.

And that's not too neat not to have understanding companions in your barn... I hope that you will find somebody who understands you eventually. And I sure do appreciate that I managed to find a private 100% NH barn where to board my horse...with no nutty cultists at all, lol.
    07-16-2012, 10:06 AM
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Hmmm I got to say I do not believe in most NH methods. I'm not really sure when common sense left the horse world. You have to understand the horse you are working with and the training methods that would work best with his/her personality.

For instance, if you tried using all NH methods on my mare, she would most likely kill you. She bolts, she kicks, and loves to plow people over. She needs a very firm hand. If you keep that firm hand with her she is an absolute angel. But as soon as you try to love her she will squish you.

But for some horses with a softer, more gentle personality those methods may work wonders. I don't believe in sticking to one particular method. You have to pick and choose what works best with the horse in front of you.

I use a rope halter when my mare is being an absolute twat. She loves to pull back, so when her regular nylon halter wont cut it, she gets the rope halter. Stops that nonsense immediately. You always start gentle but some horses, like mine, will see how far they can go. My mare has the attitude of a 5 year old, make me.
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    07-16-2012, 10:07 AM
That is very lucky that you found a good NH barn !! I hope his thrush gets better soon ! How long have you owned him ??

I don't let them get me down too much, my horse and I have a way better understanding and she is way better behaved than anyone elses horse =P

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